2 More Canon CN Lenses

[Nick Morrison]

and why the hell wouldn't they focus on a 18mm f1.4/1.5, 35mm f1.4/1.5, and a 100mm f1.4/1.5?!?! Wouldn't that make most sense for their current cine prime set?

The missing 35 1.4 is a mystery. The 18 1.4 WILL NEVER HAPPEN (as long as these lenses remain FULL FRAME). If they chose to make the 18mm just cover S35, then...it becomes more possible.

 

[Ryan Patrick O'Hara]

The missing 35 1.4 is a mystery. The 18 1.4 WILL NEVER HAPPEN (as long as these lenses remain FULL FRAME). If they chose to make the 18mm just cover S35, then...it becomes more possible.

I'm confused... didn't they just announce a 14mm? What is the deal breaker for a 18? I didn't mean 1.4, btw.

Personally, I could care less about 1.4 lenses. It's pretty much the last thing on my list of desires in a lens.

 

[Lee Saxon]

It's really tough to tell from the odd random T-stops that these are just rehoused stills lenses -.-

 

[Mark K.]

the range of T-stops on these lenses almost makes the CP.2s look consistent.

 

[Lee Saxon]

I wonder why opinion on Canon rehousing stills lenses is so much more negative than on Zeiss doing it?

 

[Matt Ryan]

Why?
Lets wait for Dragon and other bigger sensor cameras to come.

RED and Canon are the only ones not doing standard size sensors and Canon is only doing it in DSLR form which FF is the standard (they just made them capable of capturing video). Their actual video cameras like the c100/300/500 are S35mm size sensor. The rest of the game sticks to standard s35mm size. For filmmaking FF is not needed and only makes focus pulling more difficult as well as discontinues every s35mm lens ever made including Master Primes and Leica Summilux C's. For stills, FF is a great thing. But don't expect everyone to switch to FF sensors for true digital cinema cameras (RED being the exception, although 5K on dragon will be S35mm size).

 

[Phil Holland]

There are a couple things going on here.

Let's talk Dragon 5K: I'm actually shocked that many are offloading their S35 designed glass at the moment. Dragon's specs haven't been officially announced, but if we consider our "traditional" 5K resolution (5120x2700), Dragon's 5K is about the same size of Super 35mm 3-perf. It's just a hair larger, all S35 glass will likely cover that format. If shooting at 5K HD it certainly will as well. I'm expecting many productions focusing on 4K delivery to use 5K capture on Dragon. No reason not to. It produces a mathematically sound 4K finish as well as providing that familiar 3-perf S35 feel.

Dragon 6K: However, Dragon is a larger sensor. Some additional factors come into play. 6K provides more "look around" for those capturing at 5K, which is very nice. If your lens doesn't cover that look around it's rather pointless to use that feature because you'd be staring at the wall of the porthole. Having the power of capturing images at 6K is tremendous both for motion and still designations though. Scaling 6K down to a 4K finish is going to look very good. Also the ability to extract and re-frame from within a 6K image is going to powerful for common production use.



The CP.2 and CN-E (both horrible lens series names IMO) are based on still lenses that cover up to Full Frame 35mm. Is there a major impact on focus pulling between 5K and 6K on Dragon? Not really a major one in my opinion. Even at FF35/VistaVision I personally don't find it that difficult to hit marks. So basically these lenses cover all the "old" formats as well as the newer breed of larger sensors.

Like many people out there, I've been shooting with Canon EF still glass for a good while now on Epic and Scarlet and it's a real pleasure not worrying about coverage. It is a pain in the butt when using them for production oriented work due to their lack of proper mechanics/cinema design.

Both the CP.2 and CN-E solve a lot of my concerns for capturing on Dragon 5K and 6K and provide solid image quality. This makes them viable choices for me and probably likely choices for all of us.

 

[Tehben Dean]

Great points Phil.

With Dragon it does seem like shooting 5k s35 will probably make the most sense by and large.
It would be a bit crazy to invalidate all the standard cinema glass out there.
That being said it will be interesting to see if more and more FF glass begins to hit the market.