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10 Scarlet Questions from Joseph Hutson

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Daniel Valle said:
I'm not really understanding this.

Wasn't the basic Scarlet package supposed to have mini-XLR inputs?
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Even the original concept Scarlet handicam didn't have mini-xlr's. There was/is no room for them. With the change to the modular system there was a question for some time as to whether there would be audio on the brain at all.
 
Thanks for the clarification guys.

Well, I'm probably gonna have to get the audio module.

Hopefully it'll feature stellar audio quality.
 
Colin Sheldon said:
.... but can't the issue be discussed?
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That was kind of my reaction. If not for the talking and asking on this forum, I wonder where red would be?



So in the interest of moving forward, and not toward "bullshit", would a simple beachtek adapter allow the connection of a sturdy XLR interface that could then go into Scarlet to be recorded at pristine 24bit? I know beachtek only has one line out right now (I think) but the addition of XLR and Level Control while still going to 24bit with phantom power and no need to synch later seems worth the trade off... and they are only a couple hundred dollars last time I was there...

2 years ago, lol

Jeff
 
craigjkharris said:
Will we see Scarlett for sale before August / September or October?
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No one, not even Red apparently, really knows. Scarlet is in the lab test bed development phase at this point. All the production parts and pieces are there we think, but now they have to make it all work together. Next stage is working production prototypes.
 
Rick Burnett said:
I'd rather not have the price of the camera be ~$2k more for something I don't need. I have the *option* of using either I/O package if I want.
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Given the choice between a home made solution for $50 or a camera increase of 2 grand, I absolutely and totally agree with the home made solution.

... But what if a Red made solution that plugged into the back like the other modules, and only gave you full sized XLRs and cost $750... or $500?

Isn't that worth talking about? At least more so then the font that they're using?
 
Why not purchase a beachtek XLR adapter? $350 with audio level controls and another headphone jack and it could just attach to one of the mounting plates on top of the scarlet.

Thats my plan anyways
 
Colin Sheldon said:
Given the choice between a home made solution for $50 or a camera increase of 2 grand, I absolutely and totally agree with the home made solution.

... But what if a Red made solution that plugged into the back like the other modules, and only gave you full sized XLRs and cost $750... or $500?

Isn't that worth talking about? At least more so then the font that they're using?
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I agree. A simple compact XLR equipped mic preamp/ADC module with manual gain controls would be a welcome addition. Maybe they will build one eventually.
 
David Rasberry said:
Even the original concept Scarlet handicam didn't have mini-xlr's. There was/is no room for them. With the change to the modular system there was a question for some time as to whether there would be audio on the brain at all.
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In a modular system, why should there be? I would think it perfectly acceptable to keep the "brain" exclusively an image capture device. That's how they keep the unit small while preserving your options. That's the point. If you want a specific codec, we have a module for that. If you want sound with top quality preamps we'll give you that with the appropriate connectors. If you want one cheaper, we're making that too. If that's not cheap enough for you, then fuck off. And if you don't think that there is enough value built into the fixed Scarlet or the rest of the system, I'd have to agree that fuck off is the right response.

Actually, the only model on which integrated audio makes sense is the fixed Scarlet. IMHO

BTW, I'm adressing the same point as David but the remark isn't directed at him or any specific user for that matter.
 
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David Rasberry said:
I agree. A simple compact XLR equipped mic preamp/ADC module with manual gain controls would be a welcome addition. Maybe they will build one eventually.
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But isn't that just the base I/O modual with some controls?

Although it would be nice, i don't think it'd be too high on their priorities (although i wish it was lol)
 
Base I/O module provides HD-SDI out, SMPTE timecode and gen-lock, and GPIO interface for remote contact closure controls programmable through menus, plus the audio connections. Maybe other things too. It is a lot more than just an audio interface, duplicating most of the I/O connections as they exist on a RED ONE.
 
David Rasberry said:
Do you know of any cameras that actually physically move the sensor for image stabilization? A floating sensor seems like a recipe for disaster to me.
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forgive me for not looking up which, but I know some DSLRs out there swear by moving the sensor, i guess to make lenses cheaper? Someone can confirm which maker does this.

for me, I will most likely leave it (stabilization) off, as I am the kind of guy who mounts 5+ lbs of pure weight to my XHA1 / DSLR shoulder rig for feel and smoothness. Heavy camera rigs move in a more focused way, imho

jeff
 
David Rasberry said:
I would wait an see how well Red's image stabilization works. There are 3-axis inertial motion sensors built into the cameras and these are being used for movement reference for image stabilization, so it occurs in camera not in post. But apparently it is meta data attached to the image file that can be used or not as one chooses. Then again some of us have shot for decades with 2/3" or 16mm cameras handheld without any image stabilization.
Do you know of any cameras that actually physically move the sensor for image stabilization? A floating sensor seems like a recipe for disaster to me.
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Many still cams float the sensor for image stabilization. I believe Sony, Pentax and Olympus do this on some still cams. I am not aware of video cams that do this at the pro level.

The in body alternative used by some video cams is digital image stabilization, which shifts the electronic image from frame to frame of video, enough to counteract the motion. It uses pixels outside the border of the visible frame to provide a buffer for the motion.
 
David Rasberry said:
Base I/O module provides HD-SDI out, SMPTE timecode and gen-lock, and GPIO interface for remote contact closure controls programmable through menus, plus the audio connections. Maybe other things too. It is a lot more than just an audio interface, duplicating most of the I/O connections as they exist on a RED ONE.
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take away everything but XLR and good adjustable preamps and monitoring. And price it under $1000 and it will sell very well.
 
Hey! Another option is to invest the money into wireless! Then its an improvement all around and still saving $$ over I/O, right?
 
But anyway, when can I put my money down for scarlet???

Even if I am making silent movies (an effing joke, i promise!) i want to be first in line. SOSOSO excited.

I am so glad for the 10 questions. And as I said a while ago, Jarred stated that the delayed Mid Month announcement was going to have the WHEN it it!
 
I totally agree that the possibility of a module with just audio features would be good as well. There are just so many solutions.

I have a question. Does the scarlet have a headphone jack?
 
Jeffrey T. Morgan said:
forgive me for not looking up which, but I know some DSLRs out there swear by moving the sensor, i guess to make lenses cheaper? Someone can confirm which maker does this.

for me, I will most likely leave it (stabilization) off, as I am the kind of guy who mounts 5+ lbs of pure weight to my XHA1 / DSLR shoulder rig for feel and smoothness. Heavy camera rigs move in a more focused way, imho

jeff
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I'm with you on that. I was shooting some handheld footage at the beach a couple of weeks ago with my GL2 in a 10-15mph breeze. A balanced over the shoulder rig in the 12lb range would have been a lot more stable to begin with.
 
Selfishly - I sure hope Epic is a significantly better camera then the Scarlet. I do appreciate the difference of 2/3 vs full frame as well as 120fps, but after spending a chunk of change on both the MX sensor and the reserve on an Epic, it would be nice to feel there is still a substantial bump in the bang for the buck when you compare the two.

Scarlet sounds amazing. Is it too amazing compared to what we will get from the Epic?

I know Red needs to be one step ahead of the competitive products coming up the food chain - I just want my Epic to be at the top of the food chain.

So far however, Red keeps coming up with surprises that reward the faithful, I can only hope that business model keeps us smiling.
 
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