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10 Scarlet Questions from Joseph Hutson

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Sergiy said:
No offense taken :-) First of all, I'm glad that I asked about image stabilization. We finally know the answer. Thanks, Jarred! Second, now I understand that I need either OIS or sensor shift, that is "real" stabilization, not post-production tricks that will cause "individual frames will be accompanied by blur in the camera movement direction" - Thanks, Quentin_B. So, I've got all answers that I needed, no sarcasm, honest thanks to all people that explained this stuff to me!
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I wouldn't let those things put you off. We still have only just heard of the feature and no one has tested it yet, those who have tried to stabilise shaky footage shot with a 180 shutter in post can tell you their experiences but if you want it for stills you may be surprised at how much the high ISO ability of the camera coulped with the wide aperture can give you the shorter exposures you need to avoid blur. Depending on what that turns out to be of course...

And as others have mentioned you can build it out into a much more stable shoulder rig or use other traditional camera stabilisation devices, with the lightweight you might be able to fly it on some of these cheaper steadycam style devices.
 
Joseph Hutson said:
Each brain sports a couple of balanced 1/8" ports on the front under the lens (or where the lens is to be attached)


You can see on Jarred's "LUCKY" EPIC, the inserted scratch mics.
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Is it too late to add a 6-32 threaded hole between the two jacks (or two outside them) to Allow us to make a little plate with two plugs and cables so we can securely attach them?
 
Michael Hastings said:
Is it too late to add a 6-32 threaded hole between the two jacks (or two outside them) to Allow us to make a little plate with two plugs and cables so we can securely attach them?
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Why not glue on two screw nuts?

Holes would need internal reinforcing, and would change the layout of the inner workings and body. Also know as: delay.
 
Jeffrey T. Morgan said:
forgive me for not looking up which, but I know some DSLRs out there swear by moving the sensor, i guess to make lenses cheaper? Someone can confirm which maker does this.

for me, I will most likely leave it (stabilization) off, as I am the kind of guy who mounts 5+ lbs of pure weight to my XHA1 / DSLR shoulder rig for feel and smoothness. Heavy camera rigs move in a more focused way, imho

jeff
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Sony (previously minolta) moves the sensor - I saw a demonstration unit with the sensor out of the body and it's amazing how far and fast it moves.

Martin Weiss said:
Why not glue on two screw nuts?

Holes would need internal reinforcing, and would change the layout of the inner workings and body. Also know as: delay.
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Well it's pretty small so might be possible and two outside near the edge probably wouldn't require internal mods. (2-56 or 4-40 would work too and they are tiny)
 
You know I’ve been reading on this forum for years. I don’t pipe up much which is why I only just now signed up again after the real name change. But I just had to add to the audio discussion here.

My first reaction when reading that Scarlet had 1/8” jacks instead of full XLR’s was “What the ___ is RED thinking!?” If I had a dime for every stupid adapter I’ve had to use on all kinds of Pro Audio gear wondering why they didn’t just put an XLR input or output there, well I could probably afford an Epic with all those dimes. I mean nearly every microphone I’ve ever used that has been worth anything is XLR. I’m sure I’ll get some opposition here, but really if you are plugging a mic into something then that thing is either an XLR port or an XLR adapter cuz they didn’t give you the connector.

However, in review, it becomes clear that what RED has done here is made the fixed Scarlet capable of recording both audio and video out of the box within their design, space, and ergonomic limitations. I mean seriously are these solid platinum, gold plated, diamond studded XLR connectors that would add $2k to the camera? No, it’s a space issue the connectors are relatively cheap. So having that onboard audio out of the box, that’s gunna be handy for a lot of people regardless of adapters and workarounds. And I’ll even venture a bet that in the end it will be a deal breaker for nobody.

I do hope RED continues its history of listening to the customers and provide a mid-range audio module of some sort. I mean THAT is the point of a modular system is it not? I WANT XLR’s but don’t NEED HD/SDI, so I get the module that suites me, as long as there is a module that suites me. But I’m also not expecting that module to necessarily be available on day one. The system should expand. Day one gets me a sweet camera that has audio capabilities and I’m cool with that. I’ll work around the limitations for now and hope they expand the modular system in the future with all kinds of options.


Leo
 
ok... just my opinion... blah blah blah... I'm not sure if Jarred & Red are angry at the feedback about the possible price of the XLR module, or maybe they're just angry at people upset about needing the module over & above the camera body. Whatever. If the XLR module is fairly priced, then all is well. However... I gotta believe that a 2/3" chip would service a market that very much needs pro audio recording IN the video stream.

You can convince the cinema market to record 2nd system sound, or buy another module, but not docs or low budget filmmaking. Truly, I thought my days of Beachtek were over when I made an experimental film 5 years ago with a Canon GL1.
 
David Rasberry said:
I'm with you on that. I was shooting some handheld footage at the beach a couple of weeks ago with my GL2 in a 10-15mph breeze. A balanced over the shoulder rig in the 12lb range would have been a lot more stable to begin with.
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I am currently beefing back up for a 35mm shoot. Cameras in the 27+ lb range! handheld! Directed by the guy who shot Friday Night Lights, lol.

Love me some well done hand held.

Jeff
 
HD Hildebrand said:
Selfishly - I sure hope Epic is a significantly better camera then the Scarlet. I do appreciate the difference of 2/3 vs full frame as well as 120fps, but after spending a chunk of change on both the MX sensor and the reserve on an Epic, it would be nice to feel there is still a substantial bump in the bang for the buck when you compare the two.

Scarlet sounds amazing. Is it too amazing compared to what we will get from the Epic?

I know Red needs to be one step ahead of the competitive products coming up the food chain - I just want my Epic to be at the top of the food chain.

So far however, Red keeps coming up with surprises that reward the faithful, I can only hope that business model keeps us smiling.
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As a some day Scarlet owner who fiercely defends the full blown proness of 3k raw at up to 120 fps, I think Epic is a HUGE step up and worth more than every penny. If Scarlet cost what Epic costs, it would be a great deal. For what epic does, I cannot even extrapolate a cost, because there is nothing close. The way over 100k for HD cameras that still don't shoot raw or high speed, or the way way expensive high speed options like Phantomgive way points, but Scarlet is a big step ahead of the norm, Epic doesn't even know what normal IS.

So you rock.

Jeff
 
Michael Hastings said:
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Well it's pretty small so might be possible and two outside near the edge probably wouldn't require internal mods. (2-56 or 4-40 would work too and they are tiny)
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I havent recently seen under scarlet, but I bet there are a slew of attach points just under the front, and if not, there are those top ones. AND, mine will be on a rail system, so I will probably just attach there. AND you could always put a nice plate / cheese plate between the camera and tripod plate, giving a real steady, sleek set of attachments poking out just underneath the jacks in question.

just some ideas I was thinking of.

Jeff
 
Rick Burnett said:
I totally agree that the possibility of a module with just audio features would be good as well. There are just so many solutions.

I have a question. Does the scarlet have a headphone jack?
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I also agree. If it had a couple (or even 4? I forget how many channels it's spec'd to record) xlrs, a levels knob for each one, and metering, it'd be a great purchase. Ooo, and if there was a way to do it wirelessly (Zaxcom makes wireless recorders that are immune to RF interference and intermodulation), where the sound guy had the mic plugged into the i/o module, but the camera was the one doing the recording, that'd be pretty sweet! Single-system convenience with dual-system quality!

Great question about the headphone jack!

(For the record, people at Red, I think it's pretty much understood here that even with no onboard audio, the camera's a hell of a bargain. And if it's not, said non-understandy people are definitely crazy.)
 
David Rasberry said:
Motion cameras that record sound should not make noise.
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Aaron Newsome said:
Maybe beep in the headphone out. But David is right, even if you're not recording sound at the camera it should still be as silent as possible since someone is probably recording sound somewhere.

Also, remember actors are VERY sensitive to things like beeping while they are trying to deliver a performance. Do you remember what happened when a grip crossed Christian Bale's eyeline one too many times during a take?
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Yes. Motion cameras should be silent when operating. I meant an AF confirm beep for the stills mode.

Audio cues into headphones is a good idea too.
 
Chris Kennedy said:
I read somewhere that the fixed scarlet will have three ND positions, could we hopefully see this also on the 2/3 interchangeable? I mostly shoot ENG and this is practically a need, if not then with the mini primes would there be some sort of screw on ND that would work with the mini primes other than using a matte box?
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The mini primes are so tiny...does anyone even make such a small screw-on filter thread?
 
HD Hildebrand said:
Scarlet sounds amazing. Is it too amazing compared to what we will get from the Epic?
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That sounds like Sony and Canon and those kind of people's thinking. If RED can make Scarlet shoot 120fps at its price, then not letting it do that just to try and sell more EPIC cameras would only be gouging their customers, which thankfully RED don't tend to do.

(Although it could be argued that some of the accessories are a little pricey, especially relative to how incredibly affordable the cameras are)...
 
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