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The differences between Panasonic PF11 and PF12

Of course... My 58" PF12 should be here tomorrow.. Well I still think I got a fantastic display (although I haven't seen it yet).. I hope it serves me well.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
Here's another update for you guys thinking of getting a Panasonic Pro series plasma. There will in fact be updates to the pro series and they should start taking orders in late August. The 1080p model numbers will be TH-xxPF20U, where xx designates the screen size. Will be able to take the interface modules for SDI, etc.. New HDMI 1.4 boards supporting 10bit/12bit deep color. Looks like 3D will be supported via an add-on module to sync with shutter glasses.

So now I'm faced with the dilemma of taking my 50" VT25 here within the next 10 days or so, or waiting another 5 to 7 months for a PF20... I'm going to take the VT25 because I need something now. I'll look at the new pro panels when they arrive. Damn, this is turning out just like last year -- I bought the 46" G10 to hold me over until they released the 50" PF12, which never happened. Then I gave the G10 away and have nothing right now. Here we go again....
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Damn, August? That sucks... looks like Im buying the HD-SDI board for my 58" Pro... (jason, its killer relax you will love it!) but the HD-SDI board costs more than the Panel!

So the V25 is still 8 bit via HDMI then? fark this sucks. Jeff, can you send me a link to that info... ?? Where are you buying the V25 with that soon of delivery?

EDIT: When i search Panasonic TC-P50VT25 - its an LCD (not Plasma) and costs 10,000! ??

thanks!
 
Jason Samuel said:
Hey Tim..

Let me know if you find any good deals on the HD-SDI Board.. Or maybe if we buy ours together we can get a deal!

There was one on eBay that I was in a bidding war for and I lost!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320517395832&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Side note: The VT25 does support 10 bit HDMI, I believe... and it IS a plasma.
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BH is the only place I usually buy, and they are almost always cheapest and dont deal. Ill ask my local panasonic dealer.

as for my search... here is where I saw that model as an LCD.

http://www.shop.electronics-depot.c...25-LCD-1080p-50-AVAILABLE-SOON-TC-P50VT25.htm

EDIT: That board you bid on is only 8 Bit I think. I beleive you need DUAL LINK HD-SDI for 10 Bit and its $2320. :(

EDIT 2: HEre is the REAL model that website above is obviously a product error: http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-...Vs/model.TC-P50VT25_11002_7000000000000005702
 
Tim, that link with it as an LCD is run by a bunch of idiots, or so it would seem. You can the the VT25 panels at panasonic.com in the 2010 television models page. Yes they are plasma, I have personally seen them in action at a few demo sessions and as well as at NAB. They Re officially available as of next Monday, but a lot of retailers are getting stock now. My local BestBuy has the 54" model in the showroom and he can sell me one today. I'm tempted, but not too keen to pay full retail and it's a touch big, I kinda need the 50". They were expecting 50" units to be delivered in a couple days. Lots of info at avsform.com including people taking delivery and posting pics.

The VT25 series has full ISFcc calibration controls and they can accept 10/12 bit over HDMI. This will do for now. Hopefully I can build my new screening and coloring room with a nice projector early next year.
 
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Hey Jeff - any hints on the difference between the "pro" TH-xxPF20U and "consumer" VT25 versions? Apart from the fact that you can have add in boards and it probably costs more, that is.

Personally I just might be joining you in that VT25 purchase - although I might wait until next Jan to see what they announce then - seeing as I have to wait until summer anyway for the big screens, it's just a few months more. I'll be getting a 58" or 65" because I want as large a monitor as possible for 3D effect.

Anyway, can't wait to hear your report when your plasma arrives.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
Bruce Allen said:
Hey Jeff - any hints on the difference between the "pro" TH-xxPF20U and "consumer" VT25 versions? Apart from the fact that you can have add in boards and it probably costs more, that is.
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They will use the same panel as the VT25 series. Beyond that, anything else is pure speculation at this point. I'm expecting an HDMI 1.4 module or integrated connection and the ability to accept other interface modules like HD-SDI, etc.. Should have all the same calibration controls of the current pro plasmas.

Personally I just might be joining you in that VT25 purchase - although I might wait until next Jan to see what they announce then - seeing as I have to wait until summer anyway for the big screens, it's just a few months more. I'll be getting a 58" or 65" because I want as large a monitor as possible for 3D effect.
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I'll report as soon as I have it up and running. I'm thinking sometime next week.

For now, I do have one slight concern over the VT25 and that is a "floating black" issue. I have not witnessed it myself the times I have seen a VT25, so I'm not too concerned.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
They will use the same panel as the VT25 series. Beyond that, anything else is pure speculation at this point. I'm expecting an HDMI 1.4 module or integrated connection and the ability to accept other interface modules like HD-SDI, etc.. Should have all the same calibration controls of the current pro plasmas.



I'll report as soon as I have it up and running. I'm thinking sometime next week.

For now, I do have one slight concern over the VT25 and that is a "floating black" issue. I have not witnessed it myself the times I have seen a VT25, so I'm not too concerned.
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As Always thanks Jeff!

OK, Im scoring a 50" V25 as well, so long as it supports 10BIT via HDMI because my 58" is going to require I buy the HD-SDI board and that costs more than the 50" V25!


EDIT: For those wondering how the V20 is different from the V25?

V25 supports IFccc and has true24P playback. The V20 only supports 2:3 24P playback. SO V25 is the real deal. I think pricing will show up next week or so
 
OK Ladies and Gentlemen.. The 58" has arrived.. Just ordered the Dual Link HD-SDI Card and a Kona 3.. So, I should be set, right? Anything I need to know about how to set this up software-wise? I'm currently using Final Cut Pro and will be upgrading to Autodesk Smoke very soon... My credit card is about to burst into flames the next time I use it, but I think I got some pretty good gear now!
 
BTW.. How do I go about calibrating my monitor? Should I hire someone or buy a piece of equipment?
 
Has anyone tracked down a VT25 in stock yet? I need to order one in the next two weeks for our edit suite and can't find any online. What do you guys recommend for calibrating this. We aren't grading features here, just need it to be reasonably accurate. Would this work?
http://www.spectracal.com/i1Display-2.html

Cheers!
Josh.
 
New 13th-gen PF20 Pro Plasmas

New 13th-gen PF20 Pro Plasmas

Josh, read below about the VT25... As for the real reason I stopped by this thread, I got my hands on a demo 50" PF20U pro plasma today. All I can say is that Panasonic has really dropped the ball. I am without words to express my utter dissatisfaction over the new pro panels. The only good thing about it is that the 50" (TH-50PF20U) is now shipping in limited quantities.

First of all the panel is indeed one of the 13th generation NeoPDP panels. However, no one was able to confirm for me if it's the same one used in the VT25 series. It looked like it was and the monitor supported 96Hz refresh, so it probably is the same panel. It has all the same image controls present on the PF11 and PF12 Pro Plasma displays. Panasonic has decided to integrate some inputs on the display, which should be a good thing, but this is where they start to fumble. The component in is fine, if you need that. HDMI input is v1.3 compliant and appears to support 10bit -- it indicated deep-color support coming from the Panny Blu-Ray. Unfortunately the HDMI input DOES NOT support 24fps/23.98 modes.

If you want 24fps, you must get it from one of the optional interface boards. And as of right now, that means HD-SDI only. No sign of an HDMI 1.4 interface or HDMI board that supports 24fps input.

About those new interface boards -- they are "Slot 2.0". Apparently this is where the "PF20" series designation for this panel comes from, so it's not a PF12 or PF13 as it should be. There are two "Slot 2.0" spaces on the back of the display, however, only one of them has an active interface. The second slot space is there for interface boards that are double-width. I asked what boards are coming that are double-width and they did not have an answer. The HD-SDI board installed only occupied a single slot space. Supposedly the rumor internally is that there's some upcoming 3D boards that are double-width and include dual sets of inputs. If this is truly the case, then the panel is most likely the same as in the VT25 for the faster phosphor recovery.

Overall, I was not impressed. Not when the 50" VT25 is about $2500. This display is $1000 more and is crippled by comparison without adding additional interface options, which you can only add one. The HD-SDI option is said to list for $2500. So that makes this a $6000 display. No thanks. Not when the VT25 and AJA 3G-SDI to HDMI converter can be had for half that.

Aso for the VT25's.. You won't be finding any VT25's online until later this year. Panasonic has committed to selling most of them through retail locations and they have put some restrictions on online sales. In the USA, your best bet is to go to a store that has them or will carry them and put in your order.

FWIW, I'm still waiting for mine. I'm thinking I may go and order one through Best Buy as I will probably get it faster. I passed on the 54" when it was in stock at BB the other day because it's a bit too big. Should've just done it, now they're sold out everywhere.
 
Wow, what is TF20, that is not listed in Japan site.
 
The new 1080P Pro Plasmas are the PF20U series. So it went from the PF11 to the PF12, but they skipped the PF12 models for the 42" and 50" sizes, then on to the PF20.

Here is the product page for the new 50" model.

Stupid new monitor will do 24fps over DVI (8bit), but not over HDMI...
 
So, I'm safe with my 58" 12 Series with the Dual Link HD-SDI Board? What's the next step for me? How do I go about calibrating it? Should I purchase some sort of unit or hire someone? I'm in Los Angeles. I'm very impressed by it so far... I'm just ready for calibration so I know it's balls on accurate!
 
Hi, it is very inspiring discussion.
I wonder how you would compare the models mentioned in here to Panasonic BT-LH2550, which is listed as professional equipment in Panny's web page.
Obviously, the price of BT-LH2550 is more expensive.
Thanks.
 
It finally happened! My 50" VT25 plasma arrived today. I unboxed it enough to power it up and check the screen, etc.. I've been slacking and have a wiring issue to resolve before I mount it on the wall. But I'll probably set it off to the side and let it run some break-in slides off and on for the next few days until I can get to that.

I'll let you all know how it works out once I get it up and running and calibrated. I think I'm going to buy a new color probe before I calibrate. My Spyder3 seems to be off and I don't think it's worth paying to have Spectra-Cal evaluate and try to re-calibrate it, I'll just have them send me something new and hopefully better.

Hey King, those Panasonic BT series are more for broadcast or production monitoring. In terms of color gamut, they are inferior to the plasma and I wouldn't use one as a final grading monitor. But for on-set, especially when monitoring a recorded SDI feed, they are excellent units. Just a different tool for a different job.
 
Great news Jeff! Excited to hear what you think. I have been trying to decide on a Grading monitor for quite awhile now. I'm hoping this is a winner! :)
 
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