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Cost of Scarlet

Aric Mannion said:
Is the fixed Scarlet a "prosumer" camera? I didn't realize the Scarlet 2/3 prices tag could add up so quickly. I'm not sure all the lenses that can be used on them (or why they would at least cost $950?!). But the scarlet lens looks smaller than my HDV prosumer camera.
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Red has always described their prodcucts as preofessional gear for professionals.


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Aric Mannion said:
Is the fixed Scarlet a "prosumer" camera? I didn't realize the Scarlet 2/3 prices tag could add up so quickly. I'm not sure all the lenses that can be used on them (or why they would at least cost $950?!). But the scarlet lens looks smaller than my HDV prosumer camera.
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There are plenty of people out there that are covering the "prosumer" market. RED isn't one of them.

Size has nothing to do with how professional a tool might be.

The reason why people have confused it with the prosumer line is because the aggressive pricing makes it available to people who previously only had funding for a prosumer camera. :party:
 
Unless I’m missing something here, my basic Scarlet package, “minus”
lenses, comes to something more like this:

Scarlet Interchangeable Brain ……………. $ 2,750.oo

7” LCD Screen …………………………… $ 2,500.oo

Scarlet Base Plate ……………………… $ 500.oo

Top Mount …………………………… $ 200.oo

Scarlet Module Adapter ……………….. $ 300.oo

Pro I/O Module ………………………. $ 2,950.oo

Red Drive …………………………… $ 900.oo

16GB CF Cards (4-pack) ……………. $ 1,400.oo (?)

Dual CF Rear Module ……………… $ 950.oo

Battery Module (with 2 standard batteries) …… $ 1,250.oo

Electronic Nikon Mount ……………………… $ 500.oo

Bomb EVF (viewfinder) ………………………. $ 3,200.oo

LCD Cable, EVF Cable ……………………… $ Included (?)

RedMote (remote camera control) ………… $ 550.oo

1.8” SSD Module (replaces Red Drive ?) …… $ 1,500.oo

Scarlet Base Plate …………………………… $ 500.oo

Side Handle ………………………………...... $ 950.oo

Bottom Handle ………………………………... $ 350.oo

Shoulder Dovetail ………………………… $ 550.oo (?)

Body Cap ………………………………......... $ 12.oo

Quick Plate ………………………………...... $ 500.oo (?)

Mini-XLR to XLR Adapter ………………….. $ 19.oo

Mini-XLR to Mini-XLR Cable ……………… $ 35.oo

Drive Cable (18”) …………………………. $ 200.oo

RedCineX Editing Software (from Red) …… $ FREE

Rode NTG-2 Microphone (from B&H)…… $ 370.oo

Computer System ………………………… $ 2,274.oo

Editing Software Program (Adobe Premier Pro CS4) . $ 800.oo

TOTAL: …… $ 26,010.oo.oo

And, at this stage of the game, this is only an estimate. If you really want to
start producing with a Scarlet, this seems more along the lines of a reasonable price to me.
I don’t know why you guys think you can get away with a mere $10,000.oo.

When you consider what you get for your money, especially compared with HD “tape” video cameras, what the heck is $26,000.oo.
 
I will be so bold as to just buy the Fixed package with some extra Flash cards and see how far I will go with that. And I'm looking forward to a lot of improvisation :)

I have the luxury of not having to make money from it though.
 
George D. said:
I don’t know why you guys think you can get away with a mere $10,000.oo.
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Firstly, you don't know what people are planning to use their Scarlet for, or what hoops can be jumped through and still get usable footage. The camera is still a metal shell, so none of us know yet.

Also, you are adding in a whole host of stuff that people probably have mic/computer/software etc, plus you have two base plates and a red drive + SSD module... it is a skewed view.
 
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Can the Fixed Scarlet modules be taken apart to say be used on the Scarlet Inter? I understand that the lens may not come off but will the other stuff be?
 
And, at this stage of the game, this is only an estimate. If you really want to
start producing with a Scarlet, this seems more along the lines of a reasonable price to me.
I don’t know why you guys think you can get away with a mere $10,000.oo.
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If you are putting $26k into a 2/3" Scarlet package, Nikon lenses would be a poor choice. You need format specific lenses for best results. But that is the beauty of the modular system, the camera can be built to a working system at many different price levels.

Why would you buy a 2/3" / 2k finish camera if you had a $26k+ budget?
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For anyone elses 2/3" camera $26k is about the practical minimum package too. it goes up from there. So still a good buy. I would buy the 2/3" for general motion production work, non-narrative, for the same general reasons I shot 16mm film. Frankly I prefer the format.

My take on a practical well rigged balanced over the shoulder Cinema field production package to replace a super 16mm film camera.

Scarlet Interchangeable Brain ……………. $ 2,750.oo

5.6" LCD Screen …………………………… $ 1600.oo

Scarlet Base Plate ……………………… $ 500.oo

Scarlet Module Adapter ……………….. $ 300.oo

Base I/O Module ………………………. $ 1,750.oo

Battery Module (with 2 standard batteries) …… $ 1,250.oo

Extra batteries 800.00

Bomb EVF (viewfinder) ………………………. $ 3,200.oo

Redmote: $550.00

Miscellaneous cables & mounting hardware est: $2000.00

1.8” SSD Module …… $ 1,500.oo

1.8" SSD reader $200.00

3 x 64GB SLC high speed SSD media est: $3000.00

Red mini-primes: $4750.00

PL mount : $500

Used Cooke 9-50mm T2.5 w/ PL conversion and fresh service $1800.00 ( Have it)
Used Angenieux 12-240 w/ PL conversion and fresh service $ 1500.00 ( have it)
Used servo zoom motor system for lenses $2000.00

Basic microphone package w/ shotgun, two wireless lav systems, two decent mics for recording acoustic music events/background sound, Firewire digital mixer w/ SMPTE timecode. $4000.00

Upgrade tripod and fluid head: $2000.00

Interview/ basic small area lighting package: $1000.00

PC Laptop w/ 2TB external storage double duty as field audio recorder/ DIT offline video dailies offloading and preview with Redcine-X $1600.00 ( have it)

Decent 26" 1080p LCD TV for onset preview: $500.00

$39,050.

PS: Left out allowance for matte box and basic filter package. $2500.00

Total: $41,550.00
 
IMHO you guys are getting OUT OF CONTROL with these 2/3rd shootable package estimates.

To me it seems like you guys are throwing the kitchen sink at the systems, and its just slightly disingenuous, or at least thats my P.O.V.
 
Down and dirty basic cinema package similar to what I will start out with.

Scarlet Interchangeable Brain ……………. $ 2,750.oo

2.8" LCD Screen …………………………… $ 900.oo

Aftermarket eye piece/hood for LCD. Poor man's EVF: $400.00

Scarlet Base Plate ……………………… $ 500.oo

Side handle for control and battery power: $950.00

Extra batteries 600.00

Side CF module: $500.00

4x 16GB CF cards: $1400.00

High speed CF reader: $200.00

PL mount : $500

Used Cooke 9-50mm T2.5 w/ PL conversion and fresh service $1800.00 ( Have it)
Used Angenieux 12-240 w/ PL conversion and fresh service $ 1500.00 ( have it)

Miscellaneous cables & mounting hardware est: $1000.00

Interview/ basic small area lighting package: $600.00

Basic microphone package w/ shotgun, two decent mics for recording acoustic music events/background sound, Firewire digital mixer w/ SMPTE timecode. $1500.00

PC Laptop w/ 2TB external storage double duty as field audio recorder/ DIT offline video dailies offloading and preview with Redcine-X $1600.00 ( have it)

Decent 26" 1080p LCD TV for onset preview: $500.00

Economy/used matte box and basic filter package: $1200.00

$18,400.00
 
Jimmy Odom said:
IMHO you guys are getting OUT OF CONTROL with these 2/3rd shootable package estimates.

To me it seems like you guys are throwing the kitchen sink at the systems, and its just slightly disingenuous, or at least thats my P.O.V.
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There is a significant difference between bare minimum necessities to shoot at all and a truly practical and useful field package for general purpose industrial/commercial/creative production work.

One can always rent extra equipment as needed. But in my case the nearest rental houses are a 4 hour round trip away. Having all the basic production essentials on hand is, well, essential.:hat:
 
Scarlet Cinema Brain - 2750
RED pl mount - 500
Side Handle - 950
Side CF Module - 500
16GB CF Card - 500
2.8" LCD - 900
PL Mount 16mm zoom - 1000

7,100

Now that's bare bones, but the point is it will get you shooting.

The thing I think most people need to clarify when the ask these questions is do you want:

a) a camera that can shoot footage

or (what I think most people really mean)

b) what will make me a one stop shop for basic RED Cinema Production.

In that case you will need much more. This was mentioned earlier by someone in this thread and I think it needs saying again...you need to consider what other companies are counting in on their prices when you make these lists.
 
Peter Osinski said:
Scarlet Cinema Brain - 2750
RED pl mount - 500
Side Handle - 950
Side CF Module - 500
16GB CF Card - 500
2.8" LCD - 900
PL Mount 16mm zoom - 1000

7,100

Now that's bare bones, but the point is it will get you shooting.
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Well, you need batteries and a charger too. And only one CF card is too bare-bones to be realistic, even for a stripped-down package.

And you are sure to need ND filters if you are going outside, but let's just put that into the category that includes a tripod and whatnot, things you aren't buying from Red.
 
Since I first heard of the Scarlet, I've been trying to learn as much as I can from lurking here. I am a relative newcomer to cinematography/videography and photography in general, so my prespective will be vastly different than many of the very experienced and talented members here. (Everyone has to start somewhere, right?) That said, I've spec'd out both a Scarlet Fixed and Cinema purchase plan which I believe would work for a newcomer like myself.

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RED Scarlet Fixed Kit: 	$4750
RED 4x16GB CF:		$1400
Top Mount:		$200
Mic:			$200
RED Reader:		$200
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Total			$6750

RED Scarlet Cinema Body $2750
RED MiniPrime		$950
2.8” LCD		$900
REDmote			$550
Side CF Module		$500
Battery Module		$1250
RED 4x16GB CF:		$1400
Top Mount:		$200
Mic:			$200
RED Reader		$200
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Total			$8900

Miscellaneous cables and accessories, computer upgrades, storage, and software are not included. Additionally, you could probably swap out the CF cards for a RED drive to save some money + a couple 8GB cards to still have a solid state recording option if necessary.

The major issue I have is with the cost of the Cinema loadout. To get relatively equal functionality, (and with a single, non-zoom lens,) it costs $2150 more. As a part-time enthusiast and a student, that is a very large difference for generally less functionality. Personally, I'm planning on buying the Fixed, though I think the best option if you want the Cinema is to buy a Fixed kit, then sell the the body for the cost of the Scarlet Cinema + a MiniPrime. ($3700) There will always be someone willing to pay that price for a Fixed body. I know I would!
 
I'm afraid to say what all modules I am going to spend my money on. As soon as I quote my projected Scarlet packages, there will be more modules I could buy...
 
Hernan said:
Sorry to skip a bit from the subject, but, RED ONE costs 17K and Scarlet S35 7K. RED ONE has smaller chip and there you have it less quality image. What are the dvantages of RED ONE against Scarlet S35 that are worth 10K.
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Just a couple of little corrections. The last word on the S35 brain was:
  • 5K, not 7K
  • $7,000, not $10,000
 
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