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Why is the REC button on the Right side of the EPIC?

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I'm sure it's already been asked somewhere. I recall Jim replying that with the Redmote, you have a button anywhere, but I can't see how it can be put just under the eyepiece on the left side, like the Red One and most other movie, and it shouldn't be an issue fixed with an accessory anyway.
So I've gotta ask, why put it THERE on the right? Any other place I can think of right now would be better for an operator.

It's not just a matter of reach. You normally want your right hand sitting ready on a pan-handle when you roll, with your body ready for the shot. If you're hand-held, you're using the right handle to stop the camera from hitting the deck. You don't want to go fumbling. Yes, I know that there's REC button on the active handle of the Epic, but once again, its an accessory, and may not be on the camera, even for handheld. For all other shots... it's on the right...

End of gripe...
Is there any reason this can't be changed at this stage?
 
It seems to me that it's because of the CF card thing on the left side.

I heard that there was "no room" on the left side, but there is clearly lots of room:
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Cüneyt Kaya said:
nick, which AC stands left to the operator when there is no need?

and the redmote can be anywhere i guess. its modular, thats the whole point of this thing
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The Redmote is large. Therefore it can't go everywhere easily. I own a remote REC switch for my Red Ones. It's great, though I'd spend a lot of time and effort putting it anywhere I can think of.. anyway I'd really like my REC switch that's actually on the camera to be in the right place for the operator, for the reasons cited above. Please let's not assume that the AC is always buttoning on, and that they're probably on the dumb side.
Has every other camera manufacturer been getting this wrong all these years? I don't think so...
 
well, all of them. If I have to communicate with my 1st, I can do it in a tiny whisper and we can fix the shot together. Try that over a camera.

Nick
 
There are 4 ways to hit run/stop and two of them can go anywhere. What is your question again?

Jim
 
I've got no problem with it since the Redmote will be able to be positioned on the smart side or in the 1st's hand. However a compromise for those that want an operator button for tripod use could be to add a one to the left side of the I/O modules, it's the module most likely to be placed directly behind the body in a cinema config, and I'll hazard a guess there's more room there than in the body :biggrin:
 
With 4 record buttons all we need now is a brainwave sensor that recognizes when we think we should be recording. One can focus so much on the set up of the shot—and it's never good to have to turn around after a perfectly good take and say "Hey um... we need to do it over. I... forgot to press record."
 
Jannard said:
There are 4 ways to hit run/stop and two of them can go anywhere. What is your question again?

Jim
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Jim, my question is why move it from the front left of the camera - the best place for it to be?
I understand about the Redmote going "anywhere" (with a quick-release system to do so).
Which other one can go anywhere?

As I see it:
The side handle button's on the top right
The bottom handle button's on the bottom right
The brain buttons on the middle right.
The Redmote button's on the back right, if the Redmote's on the back of the camera.
 
Mark Pugh said:
Jim, my question is why move it from the front left of the camera - the best place for it to be?
I understand about the Redmote going "anywhere" (with a quick-release system to do so).
Which other one can go anywhere?

As I see it:
The side handle button's on the top right
The bottom handle button's on the bottom right
The brain buttons on the middle right.
The Redmote button's on the back right, if the Redmote's on the back of the camera.
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I forgot about the bottom handle so make that 5...

There is no room on the left (as has been said) or the front. The icon is on the cover of the fan drawer. Covering up a button with a removable CF module doesn't seem prudent either. Lots of electronics and capability in a wicked small box.

Jim
 
SO that begs, the question to be asked, what's number 5? Anything to do with gigabit ethernet?
 
Record

Record

So that begs, the question to be asked, what's number 5? Anything to do with gigabit ethernet?
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For sure. You could start / stop record via Gig-Etherent, also there is the GPI trigger available from certain lenses and / or Preston controllers....etc
 
Felix Knöchel said:
Maybe with the touchscreen aswell?
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touchscreens are cool
redmotes are cool
GPIO is cool
ethernet is cool
optional handles with Rec buttons are cool...
I'm excited...

But I like having a button knowing exactly where it is, never moves.
I can operate without looking for it, on the left side of the cam. Sad to see it go.
Anyway, end of rant. I'm off to get the bee of my bonnet. :)
 
There are a lot of us who will use Epic and Scarlet in lightweight DSMC setups as pictured, with the side handle, and bottom handle. For those, the record buttons as pictured are in ideal locations for motion use, and for stills in both landscape and portrait modes.

With the myriad of possible setups of these cameras there are bound to be people who aren't fully happy with the location of certain features - or don't fully grasp the alternative places for those features. Those will also usually be the people who fail to catch the vision of how broadly-utilitarian these cameras can be. They have their familiar camera setups and will want to stick with them. In order to gain broad utility from a camera there are necessarily some slight compromises from traditional ergonomics, setups, and usage techniques. I think that's a very small price to pay for the increased modularity, utility, flexibility, and potential multi-industry revenue generation potential of these new DSMC cameras.
 
Those of you who are anguished or miffed about the position of the RECORD button on the Epic are kidding, right? This is a DSMC design. Where is the shutter release located on a Nikon or Canon or any other "S" camera. Jim just stated there are at least 5 options. How many "Rec" options do you have on an Arri, Eclair, Aaton or Panivision "M" camera? I mean really. REALLY.

And how many of those manufacturers take the time to respond to your beefs? Hmmmm. Let me count. ZERO.

Jim and company have given a tremendous amount of thought to why they are doing everything they are doing. "Count on it."

Okay, I'm done ranting. REALLY!
 
Since most people will buy the CF module, like they did for the R1, and it sits on the left... where the REC button should be, like on every other cinema camera in existence..... You could put a REC button on that module.... sorry if that made too much sense.

I guess I should make my own camera system instead of telling you obvious things like that, oh wait I don't have billions of dollars to do that so I'll just suggest it to someone who does and has a forum for that purpose.

I don't need 5 buttons in the wrong places. I just 2 buttons in the correct places. 1 on the right, 1 on the left, and if you want to get crazy 1 on the back too.
 
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