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What field monitor for 1080p?

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Build 16 is now including 4:2:2 1080p playback (single HD-SDI).
The upgrade path is to 4:4:4 1080p playback (dual HD-SDI).

There are hints that 1080p monitoring (4:2:2 or 4:4:4 ??) may be extended to live monitoring.
No word yet as to level of debayering.
Either way i suspect full 1080p live monitoring will be included in EPIC.

Okay, now the speculation is outta the way,
...what will people want for their playback/monitoring solutions?

If 4:2:2 1080p is available for playback I suspect that will become a new bench mark.
So what field monitors will people be looking at purchasing?

And to future proof (couple of months..?) what 4:4:4 dual link monitors will people be looking at?
And do you really need 4:4:4 for field monitoring???

I guess my question is...who knows of a field monitor thats: 4:4:4 (or 4:2:2) 1080p battery powered (preferably 12V to go with exisiting batteries), LUTs, blue only, split screen, vectroscope, nice field case, 20~24".

Also the whole DVI/HDMI thing....I'm guessing that really only 4:2:2?

I expect/hope the AJA/Blackmagic HDSDI --> DVI/HDMI/Component will interface correctly with Red's 1080p (4:4:4/4:2:2) single/dual HD-SDI outputs.

anyway...what 1080p field monitoring solutions are people thinking about?

Dave
 
Tamuz field monitor

Tamuz field monitor

Ive recently got a Tamuz field monitor. 15.4" full 1920x1080 4:2:2 hd-sdi which can be upgraded to dual link 4:4:4. I have it 12v powered by vlock plate using standard 4pin xlr and i added a vfgadgets heavy duty vesa mount to allow it to go on a c-stand. I had a flat backed vlock plate fitted with a 12v reg by Hawk-wood in the UK so i could velcro mount the battery.

A very good field monitor. The ONLY one i could find in fact at the approx 17" size at full res 1920x1080 from anywhere period. It also have 2 x XGA inputs and hdsdi loop thru.

4-6 weeks build time from germany. www.tamuz.tv

Im still trying to get a decent cover to fit it and have approached portabrace to see if i can get one made.

Its available for UK rental if anyone is interested..
 
Thanks very much Mark...have spoken to the local Tamuz rep who is checking out 17".

I've included a few other native 1920x1080 field monitors......

Marshall V-R171-IMD - 17" (12V)
http://www.lcdracks.tv/racks/IMD/V-R171-IMD-HDSDI.html

Evolution Pro OBLM 19"-55" (12V)
http://www.oxygendct.com/acatalog/EvoPro.pdf

Tamuz HCM 124W HD 24" (12V)
http://www.tamuz.tv/us/frameset2.htm

Sony LMD2450WHD 24" (24V)
http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-monitors/cat-videoproduction/product-LMD2450WHD/

Cine-tal Cinemage 24" (24V)
http://www.cine-tal.com/products/cinemage_specs.asp


cheers,
 
We're still trying to find a suitable monitor for the using the HDLINK pro box with the 720p output without windowing...any suggesstions?

I personally like Marshall and will be pulling for them bigtime... and they're not too many $...well kinda.:umm:
 
For the Sony LMD 2450 you must remember to get the add-on HD-SDI input board. Abel also manufacturers a table top stand (vastly better than the included Sony one), a light stand adaptor for on set use and a custom case designed by yours truly. We'll soon have an adaptor plate that will allow the use of standard 12v onboard camera batteries to mount to the monitor and power it. For more on this monitor and our accessories and prices, please visit the Abel website at abelcine.com. We also now have an entire RED Store there.
 
I have JVC 9" and 24 " HDSDI Professional LCD monitors in 4:2:2 only.

I am testing TV Logic www.tvlogic.co.kr ( Korean made ) 24" HDSDI ( Single or Dual Link 4:4:4 ) with Waveform / Vector display + Audio demuxing + DC 24V for both RED and our DI room for monitoring as well.

Barco is our target reference Grade 1 monitor to remove motion blur and judder with A high-speed 120 Hz panel
Scanning LED backlight technology
http://www.barco.com/corporate/en/products/product.asp?gennr=1990

Very expensive though !!! Euros: 28,000.00 starts.....

Stewart
HKG
 
The waveform on the 2450 is on par with the one in the Panasonic 1760. And both of those monitors also now sport vectorscopes as well.
 
TV Logic is good so far. The 24" model doesn't have some of the off axis color issues that the 17" model has and is true 1080P. I think they list for about $8000. Two upgrades worth checking out. An ND filter that makes the blacks richer and you can upgrade it to Dual Link HD-SDI 4:4:4 by entering a password they provide. The upgrade is pricey though, about $2K. But for $10K, you get an accurate monitoring system that can be calibrated with precision with quality hardware/software tools. It does suffer from some of the same issues that all LCDs still have which is a bit of lag, although their specs are supposedly one of the best in the industry. Worth checking out for on set or in studio.

http://www.dandesmet.com/
 
stevesherrick said:
you can upgrade it to Dual Link HD-SDI 4:4:4 by entering a password they provide. The upgrade is pricey though, about $2K.
Click to expand...

Haha. So the hardware is there, but you have to pay $2000 extra for a passwork to use it. That's kind of dodgy?
 
For value you can't beat the 24" JVC (even with the new Sony 24" competing on price). I have heard a lot of good things about the TV Logic, but it's a different price bracket.

I can only speak personally about the JVC: It has an excellent picture at 720p and 1080p and switches automatically between the two (will be very useful with RED) and has extensive safe markers. It also has an excellent set of inputs as standard.

Have a look at as many as you can - the different looks of these monitors are often a matter of personal choice, especially between the Panny's, Sony's and JVC's.

Ben
 
Nils J. Nesse said:
Haha. So the hardware is there, but you have to pay $2000 extra for a passwork to use it. That's kind of dodgy?
Click to expand...

Actually, maybe not as dodgy as it might seem. They could have just priced the monitor at $10K as it fits right into that $10K and over market. But if you don't need the dual link right away and need to save a couple thousand dollars it allows you to do that and upgrade when you do have the money. I know it can be interpreted as dodgy because the hardware is there and they just are not enabling it, but let's face it Sony does the same thing. You can buy a monitor with a base configuration and then add upgrade kits to give it more functionality. TV Logic just took the approach that they are going to install the hardware from the get go, so that upgrades are easy, both for the customer and for them. I like having the option. At some point, I will consider upgrading to the dual-link.
 
And each HD-SDI input has it's own processing engine (might be using the wrong term there) meaning that when you hook up two sources utilizing the two sdi inputs, they are working on their own to process the signal. I'm doing a really bad job of explaining that. The guys at Dan Desmet can explain it better. Whatever they are doing is supposed to be an improvement over the methods used by some companies. So even when you are not using it as dual link, having the two individual inputs has benefits.
 
I guess they're just being honest about what you're paying for. (Not the components.)

But if this was an $800 Dell/HP/whatever consumer model, and Dell/HP/whatever tried to charge $200 for the password to use built in hardware, I think there would be an outrage.
 
you asked for it

you asked for it

You bet I can David,
8.4" xga panel with 170 degrees viewing angle, wide color gamut and enhanced contrast.
knobs for quick adjustment
Gamma: film, normal and programmable
preprogrammed film gamma 1.6 through 2.6
6 pulldowns for SDI to accurately display interlaced HD, and progressive display.
3 mode instrument quality high resolution waveform and 3 mode vectorscope.
underscan
1:1pixel 100% zoom for focusing
preprogrammed and adjustable frame markers with semi transparent look around shading.
the 8.4" has AC/DC power and onboard IDX or AB mount.
price $2850 US
There is more but these are the most important features.
The 24" has 180 degrees viewing angles, fulll 1920x1200 raster
price $3850
Let me know if there is someting important I missed, we are getting ready for the first production run in July. Prototypes are available for testing at my office in Los Angeles
Jacek
 
Jacek,

On the 24" with the 180º viewing angle is the color consistent throughout or does it shift as you get further from the center? Important for grading sessions with multiple people in the room. Can the monitor be calibrated to a high level of accuracy using one of the industry standard calibration devices to calibrate for say Rec709? How accurate are the black levels?
 
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