Why is the REC button on the Right side of the EPIC?

[Jim McKinney]

It's disappointing that there's not a start button on the left - but as long as there's one on the back, no big deal. And as David just said above, . . .

 

[Jannard]

It's disappointing that there's not a start button on the left - but as long as there's one on the back, no big deal. And as David just said above, . . .

Who said there is no start button on the left?

Jim

 

[Todd M.]

Who said there is no start button on the left?

Jim

On the EVF?

 

[J. Eric Camp]

Well even on the R1 you can program any user button to be a start/stop. So it might be the fact that any button can be a "make rocket go now."

Past that... I am sure there are lots of toys yet to be revealed. Jim said some time ago that anything we see in non production press releases is not their cutting edge. The best things will be announced right around production time.

 

[Shane Nassiri]

Red Thumb Module. Start and stop recording via thumb print recognition. Disable access to the camera without your thumb print scan.

 

[Jannard]

OK... I was going to save this one as a surprise BUT.

The CF Module (left side) was redesigned with two major changes awhile back. The EVF/LCD cable receiver was reversed making it easier to route the cable to more positions AND we added a run/stop button and two user buttons to the front of that side module, making it very easy to hit from the operator's side. So you have a ton of ways to get her going. Also... you can lock out any button from operating if it "gets in your way".

What this means is that you do NOT have this option if you remove the side CF Module... so we are making a side cover with these controls should you decide to remove it.



Jim

 

[Jared Caldwell]

OK... I was going to save this one as a surprise BUT.

The CF Module (left side) was redesigned with two major changes awhile back. The EVF/LCD cable receiver was reversed making it easier to route the cable to more positions AND we added a run/stop button and two user buttons to the front of that side module, making it very easy to hit from the operator's side. So you have a ton of ways to get her going. Also... you can lock out any button from operating if it "gets in your way".

What this means is that you do NOT have this option if you remove the side CF Module... so we are making a side cover with these controls should you decide to remove it.



Jim

That is pretty badass, Jim. I think I'm going to have a problem finding the time to make films as I fight the urge to figure out all the different ways I can set my baby up. :}

 

[Peter Mosiman]

OK... I was going to save this one as a surprise BUT.

The CF Module (left side) was redesigned with two major changes awhile back. The EVF/LCD cable receiver was reversed making it easier to route the cable to more positions AND we added a run/stop button and two user buttons to the front of that side module, making it very easy to hit from the operator's side. So you have a ton of ways to get her going. Also... you can lock out any button from operating if it "gets in your way".

What this means is that you do NOT have this option if you remove the side CF Module... so we are making a side cover with these controls should you decide to remove it.



Jim

IDK if anyone has ever told you Jim, but you are the man!! :thumbsup:

Also, modular was totally the best thing that ever happened to this program. Good work. Keep it up!

 

[Alan Zarnegar]

OK... I was going to save this one as a surprise BUT.

The CF Module (left side) was redesigned with two major changes awhile back. The EVF/LCD cable receiver was reversed making it easier to route the cable to more positions AND we added a run/stop button and two user buttons to the front of that side module, making it very easy to hit from the operator's side. So you have a ton of ways to get her going. Also... you can lock out any button from operating if it "gets in your way".

What this means is that you do NOT have this option if you remove the side CF Module... so we are making a side cover with these controls should you decide to remove it.



Jim

Jim,
You spoil us with your treats

 

[Mark Pugh]

we added a run/stop button and two user buttons to the front of that side module, making it very easy to hit from the operator's side.



Jim

Fantastic stuff Jim. Thanks

All you innovative guys who said you absolutely didn't need one on the left should be sent a CF module without the buttons though... hehe.

 

[Casey Green]

OK... I was going to save this one as a surprise BUT.

The CF Module (left side) was redesigned with two major changes awhile back. The EVF/LCD cable receiver was reversed making it easier to route the cable to more positions AND we added a run/stop button and two user buttons to the front of that side module, making it very easy to hit from the operator's side. So you have a ton of ways to get her going. Also... you can lock out any button from operating if it "gets in your way".

What this means is that you do NOT have this option if you remove the side CF Module... so we are making a side cover with these controls should you decide to remove it.



Jim

I can just picture Jim sitting in front of his Mac Pro making renders and lists of everything that needs to be addressed on the "to do" list.

It seems that any area that needs to be improved upon gets on this list and then it is just a matter of time before it is crossed off the list. I love the way you work!

 

[Kevin Olsen]

Also... you can lock out any button from operating if it "gets in your way".


Jim

Now that sounds awesome to me. It's like have a left and right hand drive car in one, pick your side.

KO

 

[Gino Papineau]

Everything in life changes... and it is a very good thing !

 

[Steve Gibby]

All you innovative guys who said you absolutely didn't need one on the left should be sent a CF module without the buttons though... hehe.

Actually its us innovative guys who should be sent a CF module with a record button as a reward for our willingness to maximize the other multiple record button options in such a modular camera. The CF modules without a record button should be sent to those who need to learn how to get out of their comfort zone and innovate.

Us innovative guys should also send our fellow innovative guys at RED a "Thank You" note for saving us from hearing so much whining from traditionalists who, though they're presented with an infinitely modular camera with multiple record button options, could only seem to figure out one way to setup and operate the camera

 

[Mark Pugh]

though they're presented with an infinitely modular camera with multiple record button options, could only seem to figure out one way to setup and operate the camera

Steve,

I afraid I don't see how liking a Run button on the left of a camera makes you unimaginative, ignorant of Red's vision, a hopeless traditionalist, a whiner, or the enemy of modular cameras.
There's some incredible attitude going on around here, smilies or no smilies.

Over the last few years I've regularly turned my camera setups into modular designs, separating Batteries and Drives up to 4 foot back from the lens with custom cables, and vertically also, into three points of mass along Steadicam lines. Sometimes it's on the shoulder. Sometimes I use Walter Klassen Steadicam vests with Easyrigs attached. Sometimes Kenyon Labs gyros as part of the balanced modular design. Surprisingly, I use a Remote switch to run the camera from the left, right, way back, and anywhere else my tiny mind can imagine.

This all started for me while shooting on the Viper, and when I first saw images of the future Red One back in '06 I instantly saw that here was a camera that I had been dreaming of. I sold my house and started buying Red Ones.
I can shoot handheld with 300mm lenses with these rigs, with no shakiness, and no Image Stabilized lenses (and without a gyro running).
It's a kind of extension of the methods used on, say, Slumdog Millionaire.

The Epic is a dream that will complete everything I've been wanting to achieve with the possibilities that a modular digital system can offer.

 

[Steve Gibby]

Mark,

“All you innovative guys who said you absolutely didn't need one on the left should be sent a CF module without the buttons though... hehe.”

After Jim’s CF mudule record button post, you sarcastically poked fun at those of us on the thread (myself, David Mullen, etc.) who said we would be fine with the other record options. So I simply poked fun back at you with my post, with smiles after each paragraph. Now you come back at me with “There’s some incredible attitude going on here, smiles or no smiles”. Seems like the “attitude” here is yours Mark…

Let’s review our interchange on this thread:
In your post #1 on this thread you described the need for a left side record button in tripod work. In my post #18 of this thread I illustrated the many other techniques for using a DSMC camera for which the announced record button options were fine, and addressed the utility and modularity options of DSMC cameras. In my post #34 I described the many other locations a record button is on the other industries that a DSMC camera can be used in – EFP, Stills, etc. In your post #35, which quoted my Post #34, you made unsupported claims, feeling the need to use shouting capital letters, that with Epic wouldn’t be used often in stills mode, hand held, or on the shoulder, but mostly on a tripod head in cine style. In my post #49 I disagreed with your post #34, illustrating the broad stills, hybrid, and EFP use of the DSMC cameras, along with alternate techniques for handling the cameras – then also pointed out that all industry styles of using a DSMC could also involve using a tripod. Then in your post #70 after Jim’s announcement of the CF record button, which I quoted above, you took your sarcastic jab at myself, David Mullen, and the others who said they could operate just fine with the other five record options.

So Mark, who’s got the attitude on this thread? Who minimized and criticized the other industries converging to use the DSMC cameras? Who felt the need to shout in capital letters? You did…and that illustrates “attitude”.

Thanks for the paragraph about your versatility with RED One and your sacrifice and commitment to get one. We’ve all sacrificed to get into our RED cameras. I’ve worked for 40 years in still photography, and over 30 years in motion media – cine, EFP, and more recently hybrid production. Most guys my age (61), with my experience level, are what you could safely call “traditionalists”. But while I’m very traditional, I’m also very progressive and open to innovation. In fact, there is probably nobody using a RED who has put it in more different environments, used more different techniques, in a broader array of genres than I have – and nobody but a few RED Team members have used RED cameras for a longer per period of time than I have. In camera work, I’m known for a broad array of setups and techniques – tripod, hand held, shoulder held, aerial, in-water, jib, Steadicam, and on and on. Me and one of my RED cameras (#8), along with RED #13, shot the first ever RED 3D footage – on 9/1/07 at Paradise FX. Me and my crew shot the first ever RED aerial footage in early December 2007 in Hawaii. The very first RED underwater housing was made from one of my RED cameras (#8) by Mike Hastings (9/07), and the first RED underwater footage was also shot with one of my RED cameras in that same housing (9/07). I co-Executive Produced the very first group field test of RED cameras (L.A. RED Test, 12/07). I could go on and on with the “firsts” and “innovations” I’ve spearheaded with RED – and I’ll do the same with Epic and Scarlet.

I’ve been giving RED suggestions for RED One since 2005. I was also one of the few invited guys to the very first think tank about RED, on December 14, 2005 at Oakley headquarters. I wrote most of the early magazine articles about the RED camera, in 2006 and 2007, and I conducted and published the first magazine interview with Jim Jannard in early 2006.

Lets put this matter to rest. I have no personal axe to grind with you Mark. I think its great RED has now provided one more record button option with the new cameras. You use RED (and Epic) the way you want, and my crews and me will do the same.

 

[Martin Weiss]

I think we can all agree now that there'll be plenty enough buttons on the new cameras.

No need to take it further, especially when it starts going into the personal direction.