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Why is the REC button on the Right side of the EPIC?

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Blaire Johnson said:
Since most people will buy the CF module, like they did for the R1, and it sits on the left... where the REC button should be, like on every other cinema camera in existence..... You could put a REC button on that module.... sorry if that made too much sense.

I guess I should make my own camera system instead of telling you obvious things like that, oh wait I don't have billions of dollars to do that so I'll just suggest it to someone who does and has a forum for that purpose.

I don't need 5 buttons in the wrong places. I just 2 buttons in the correct places. 1 on the right, 1 on the left, and if you want to get crazy 1 on the back too.
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If you believe those are the "correct" places, then I would think this camera is not for you.
 
If you move the camera left-right-left-right up-down-up-down the the gyro sensors will sens that and trigger recording also ;)
 
Look if you don't operate a camera for a living, this is no big deal. If you do, you realize that 1 of two things is going to happen. 1 - you are on a gear head and more than likely the first is going to roll the camera for you. 2- you have your right hand on the pan handle and your left hand hovering around the finder to adjust it's angle, or resting on the side of the head. There should be a roll button right where your left hand is. That's where it is on every other camera, including the Red one. That's why the tilt lock on heads is right under that. When they say roll camera, those are the 3 things you do, tilt lock, finder, roll.

That's all anyone here is saying. It is a bummer to ignore such a basic ergonomic need, but it's not the end of the world.

Nick
 
put the redmote to the left of the body. woila. If you're having trouble visualizing all of this then go to your kids room and grab a set of lego technic blocks, should give an idea of what it'll be like soon.
 
Record start / stop

Record start / stop

A couple of points.

- EPIC is modular camera and we are aiming to satisfy a wide range of use cases.

- Requests for a left side access record start / stop function are understood.
 
Gotta chime in here too.
The traditional place, among others, is the camera left side ("operator side")
But keep in mind that Panavision spent 20+ years making Panaflex cameras with run switches on the rear only! That always baffled me too.
Red Team, it would be great. I understand if there are technical reasons why. But give it another look. It's a logical place in studio-style shooting.
Cheers,
Harry
 
I'm left handed and have never been comfortable with the way any cameras are laid out but I have adapted over time...ish!!

One of the reasons I like RED modular approach.

Although I should point out that it is only the large cameras (that everyday pros us...hence why they generally all have similar positioning) that have the button to the left or front of the cam. As far as I can think of most if not all smaller form cameras have the button on the back or by the rocker zoom on the right side. I know the point you are making which is completely understandable. But its modular so either RED will adapt or you will.
 
Stuart English said:
For sure. You could start / stop record via Gig-Etherent, also there is the GPI trigger available from certain lenses and / or Preston controllers....etc
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How does that work? I mean, what protocol would you connect to the camera - is it some custom protocol that requires a separate app on a computer or could you SSH in and see a text-based menu or something like that?
 
Harry Clark said:
The traditional place, among others, is the camera left side ("operator side")
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Hmmm...a left side record button is true for most cine cameras, but on full-sized professional EFP cameras the record button is on the front, as Tim pointed out on mid-sized pro EFP cameras the record button is by the rocker zoom on the right side, and on professional stills cameras the record button is exactly where it is located on the Epic renders in the first post of this thread - on the top right/front, and alternately on the bottom right side if the stills camera has a dual battery enclosure - to easily enable portrait mode shooting.

I think its time for strictly cine-style shooters to quit thinking of Epic and Scarlet as being just designed for their industry, and realize that these DSMC (digital stills and motion cameras) are modular because they are equally designed for cine, hybrid, EFP, and stills production. Keeping that in mind, RED has provided a broad range of locations to put a record button, and it just seems to be cine guys complaining about not getting features exactly where they want.

I did a pretty fair amount of cine style shooting earlier in my career, but I've also done 35mm stills photography my entire career, EFP production for decades, and more recently with RED One, hybrid 35mm stills non-hardlined EFP style. Because I've done all the styles possible with these new cameras, and the cameras are extremely modular, I can see the reasoning for feature placement.
 
Steve Gibby said:
Hmmm...a left side record button is true for most cine cameras, but on full-sized professional EFP cameras the record button is on the front, as Tim pointed out on mid-sized pro EFP cameras the record button is by the rocker zoom on the right side, and on professional stills cameras the record button is exactly where it is located on the Epic renders in the first post of this thread - on the top right/front, and alternately on the bottom right side if the stills camera has a dual battery enclosure - to easily enable portrait mode shooting.
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Steve this is my point - each of these different types of cameras have the button in the most ergonomically sensible position for that kind of shooting.

But I'd bet the farm that MOST SHOTS taken on Epics won't be in Portrait mode, or with the camera held out in front of the body like a DSLR, or even on the shoulder. They'll be taken on a head, in what you call "cine" style.
 
Mark Pugh said:
Steve this is my point - each of these different types of cameras have the button in the most ergonomically sensible position for that kind of shooting.

But I'd bet the farm that MOST SHOTS taken on Epics won't be in Portrait mode, or with the camera held out in front of the body like a DSLR, or even on the shoulder. They'll be taken on a head, in what you call "cine" style.
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Mark... listen up. ...never mind.

Jim
 
I love that the biggest complaint about our new program is that the button isn't in the right place (even though it can be)...

Jim
 
Mark Pugh said:
Steve this is my point - each of these different types of cameras have the button in the most ergonomically sensible position for that kind of shooting.

But I'd bet the farm that MOST SHOTS taken on Epics won't be in Portrait mode, or with the camera held out in front of the body like a DSLR, or even on the shoulder. They'll be taken on a head, in what you call "cine" style.
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Hello!! the solution is called (wireless) REDMOTE!

you can walk around the set with REDMOTE and push record with your nose, if need be.

http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=35013&highlight=redmote&page=3
 
it's just muscle memory... you get used physically to shooting certain ways, not just start/stop buttons, but where the tripod legs are or expecting the body of the dolly to be underneath you instead of under the focus-puller...

cine-style guys can be picky... but we're picky for a reason ;)

at any rate, five options for placement of a record button seems plenty more than enough... especially if we can put it where it should be :reddevil:
 
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