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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Profile: SC 4.1 250ISO

Yeah, it took ages with me too. I just made sure my real name was in my signature so nobody thought I was hiding. Just seems that for those who wish to be rude or disrespectful to somebody who has put a lot of work and intelligence towards something they're making available to the rest of us for free, it's quite convenient to hide behind an avatar... So, not aimed at you :)
 
Shane Betts said:
Yes, the video guys are used to WYSIWYG and, in my experience, snipe constantly at the Red because the pictures out the monitor spigot don't look Sony enough. They simply can't get their heads around the idea that there is so much more captured than is rendered in the video signal and that that is the power of this thing. They go on about the low chroma and 'milky' look, unaware that those are good things.

What Macgregor is, and others on this forum are, doing is setting up profiles to give video guys, directors etc. a little bit of confidence in the image on the monitor while the DoP goes about his or her business capturing a good strong "neg" for grading down the track. If it was only ever film guys looking at the monitor they would look at framing, mics in shot etc. and move on, trusting their tools and their judgement.
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Shane,

agree with you!!! :beer:
 
I’m explaining to people on a pretty regular basis that the RED is kind of like 2 cameras in one – one camera for low contrast, low DR photography where you can rate from 250 ASA on down as long as you don’t overexpose, and use the Raw View mode in the camera to check the levels, and have really nice imagery – learning to use the histogram on the right side (the right 3rd of the of the histogram scale) for low con imagery can be your best friend...

... and one camera for high contrast, high DR challenging photography where you have a huge range from under to over, and you can expose at 400 ASA or higher, and as long as you don’t clip the highlights, you will be amazed at how much range you have in the mids and shadows to work with... This camera is way more sensitive that people give it credit for under the proper high contrast shooting conditions... Using the histogram from 2/3’s full on down for high DR photography can be your best friend.

The biggest mistake I see people make is letting things blow out because they are worried about the shadows, those shadows can hold clean and gorgeous like crazy – I see it all the time on properly exposed high DR imagery.

If you use REDspace for your overall exposure setting, and use RAW View for checking highlights as you work and check exposures you will have effectively done what MacGregor describes in his Rec709 at 640ASA testing. REDspace for all types of photography can be your best friend, when used in tandem with checking highlight exposure in RAW.

The RED ONE has various “sweet spots” for exposure depending on the various contrast conditions, color temperature of light being used and a number of other creative factors – that’s one of the reasons it’s such a nice tool to work with. The more testing and experimentation a DP has time to do, the more they learn about how far the can push and pull the images to create the look and feel they want – the joy of RAW cinematography.

+ Ted
 
MikeHedge said:
genius Mac
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Mike,

hope that you and others didn't get it wrong and rush to use of any sort of "instant profiles" because at the end you anyway HAVE TO LOOK at...>>>

It's not so bad to read and learn again from the people who built RED camera:

- REDspace and RAW>>>Stuart English>>RED Workflow Wizard>>>

- Exposing>>>Stuart English>>RED Workflow Wizard>>>

- Colour space>>>Graeme Nattress>>>RED Problem Solver

- The skill of exposure>>>Graeme Nattress>>>RED Problem Solver>>>

- Exposing for the RAW format>>>Rob Lohman>>>Red Team>>>
 
Thanks Ted that's perhaps the clearest discourse on exposing the RED ONE that I've read.
Mind if I quote you?
 
Yes, Ted, thanks for that clear explanation.

I think that what I was trying to do with the profile I am creating (and maybe Mac as well, although I don't want to speak for him) is to have a little of both ways. The profile allows for more of a wysiwyg monitored output, while at the same time letting you take advantage of the ability to pull detail out of the shadows by moving the middle gray a little darker. Then, you can match your lighting to your meter with consistency, and also have more detail in the highlights than you can see.

Regardless of how you set up the camera, the good news is that as long as you're aware of what you're doing, you can know that you certainly have more information in some area, whether it's the highlights or in the shadows, that you can 'pull down or up' to get a better picture than you can see on HDSDI output. And there is no good profile for all settings, as a tungsten profile requires adjustment to the blue channel levels independently that may not work so well in daylight. But if you know what you are doing to the camera, and you know what the camera likes, I think you can have it a little of both, you're getting what you see, but you're also getting more.

That's more than a lot of other cameras can do for you. And I think that's why I prefer to shoot RED when I have the option.
 
Confirming look

Confirming look

We installed SC 4.1 and we are gratefull!
Only question is " is there a way to indicate
On the LCD/EVF that the look has indeed SET
It seems the LOOK didn't always apply when
We imported off SD card and always when
10 people were staring at you. We had to jack up
Color on another look to toggle back and fourth
To verify and this is too time consuming
Any help would be appreciated as this topic is the biggest
issue we have in field
 
Sanjin Jukic said:
Also I heard that the most problem with RED settings are still coming from so called "video" experienced and educated guys..
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Hilarious. How elitist/snobbish are you?

RAW has nothing to do with understanding film or video (I work in both), it has to do with understanding RAW.

What do you work in? You don't have any work on your website! Quite hilarious!
 
Don't play a kid here... :rofl:

And don't try to investigate here anything...

This could be a totally wrong direction...

I shouldn't worn you about it...

And I'm not here to show or to promote any of my works for any sort of purpose...

There are many other places to do it much better...

Here mostly I use to think about digital cinema technology...

And my primary area of expertise are those sort of testing, consulting and analysis...

So you like it or not...

Then I would not like to discuss this area now...

:attention9ha:

BTW I do not like new sort of TV commercials and those type of "camouflage art" prostit*****.

This type of activity lost its honesty a long ago and all the time try to make consumers/people very dull.

Sorry but not with me involved in that.

I'm not that sort of conformist... sorry...

Also I like a sort of propaganda with a good idea behind but not so for that to use pretty pictures

just to make them empty, stupid kind and dull at the end...

again I'm not a fool... and not even would like to deal with the fools...

It's all about my personal freedom to have a choice and to choose a right thing...

And I'm happy because of that...

At the end I do not need now to explain myself here...
 
Liam Hall said:
Hilarious. How elitist/snobbish are you?

RAW has nothing to do with understanding film or video (I work in both), it has to do with understanding RAW.

What do you work in? You don't have any work on your website! Quite hilarious!
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Every RED owners have their own story when met video people who has never used film before and now you present them RAW workflow. WYSIWYG is pretty much what they expect to have their confidence, while RAW may or may not work this way. Sanjin's post does not portray any elitism or criticism or any personal attack. I face the same thing as well when video guy come up to me as said why red monitoring is not accurate since they dont understand a single thing about rec709 or redspace or raw stuff. No hard feelin in there.
 
Rivai said:
Every RED owners have their own story when met video people who has never used film before and now you present them RAW workflow. WYSIWYG is pretty much what they expect to have their confidence, while RAW may or may not work this way. Sanjin's post does not portray any elitism or criticism or any personal attack. I face the same thing as well when video guy come up to me as said why red monitoring is not accurate since they dont understand a single thing about rec709 or redspace or raw stuff. No hard feelin in there.
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Sanjin's post suggested that 'film educated' people were superior to 'video educated'. I know good and bad in both. I just think it's a bit silly to make a sweeping generalization like the one he did and worse to do it in the dismissive tone he did.

As for WYSIWYG guys, I can't agree with you there. Particularly since I've had to explain what a histogram is to so many people. Indeed, the number of film DoPs I've worked with who trust a monitor but don't know how to set one up is laughable. RAW is not film, it's not video, it is RAW.

Sanjin may indeed be the greatest filmmaker that ever donned a baseball cap, but if he's going to point the finger at a group of people and suggest they're not up to it and in the same post state that he has a superior method that he uses daily then he should at least show us some of his work so we can judge the merit of his argument.
 
As I mentioned before somewhere here I use 3cP from Gamma & Density,

some other works with Iridas Speedgrade on Set, and also your "desired" on set LUT you could

make it with Steve Shaw's Light Illusion tools... or with some other ... etc...

For a fast and easy communication at the forum I'm showing "quick & dirty" tests only.

And the main purpose about it is just to get an idea.

Later everybody should be responsible for his/her own decision anyway...

A sort of "big philosophy" mostly I leave it on a side...
 
Sanjin Jukic said:
As I mentioned before somewhere here I use 3cP from Gamma & Density,
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Yes, I read that. The homepage on your website says you do PRODUCTION and POST-PRODUCTION and yet there's no list of clients and your 'reel' is just a link to some lens tests on another site. As I said earlier, if you are going to be dismissive of a large number of people who visit this site, then you should present some of your work, so we can judge the veracity of your argument.

You post a lot on this site, I just want to know how much authority I should give your posts, without corroboration your words are simply meaningless rambles on the internet, that's all.
 
Liam,

slowly it is getting boring here :Yawn:.

It's about your "impeaching me" me here (sort of) and my work.

Why do you need it and for what heaven sake...?!!!

BTW, I'm doing a small and independent art projects.

And also I don't need bells and whistles...

Just because of special contracts to the "clients" that are mostly about their copyrights...

I have to always disclosed all information about my work...

And I happy because of it.

Also you don't need to take my writings here so serious because is not in any way connected

with that what are you doing or what you would do in a certain workflow or a production situation...

Hope you would now get it right...
 
Hi Sanjin
Take a breath and just think about what you said, it was rather condemning to the video chaps. Furthermore, obviously you do not have to prove or justify yourself to anyone. Unfortunately the way of the world is that people will have more confidence in your opinions if you have a proven track record i.e. some sort of showreel. I am sure you never meant to really insult anyone it just came across quite asinine,which is why it seems some people have been upset.
 
Let's stop talk about me, please :bored:.

Back to the topic.

RED1 is simply not a video camera and especially not a sort of DV camera that a lot of people used to work with.

RED1 is "amazingly great" (compressed) RAW camera.

And that is where all type of "differs" are coming...
 
Sanjin Jukic said:
Let's stop talk about me, please :bored:.

Back to the topic.

RED1 is simply not a video camera and especially not a sort of DV camera that a lot of people used to work with.

RED1 is "amazingly great" (compressed) RAW camera.

And that is where all type of "differs" are coming...
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That's what I said. It's not film, it's not digital, it's RAW. It is new and different to what many are used to.

Riki, put it better than me. I mean you no ill.

FWIW, I have a film background, but have worked a lot in video as well. I find the technology and workflow reasonably straightforward, not because of film or video, but because I also shoot a lot of stills - in RAW.

Kind regards,

Liam.
 
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