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Jarred hinted at Komodo 2 in December - predictions?

Dorian,

I think he was referring to the next Major Firmware Build , not really a new Komodo.
 
A bit of interesting info in that live stream.

RAPTOR XL looks like a lot of camera and seemed like RED made more traditional design choices to make it a more industry and rental house friendly camera. It's seems to be a similar move to what was done with the Ranger line.

The auto focus advancements sound quite interesting and may potentially have RED taking a novel approach to how AF traditionally behaves.

It sounded like gyro data is something that is "currently" on Raptor and Raptor XL but is not currently on Komodo.
Was vaguely hinted that it might be "integrated" later in a future firmware build scheduled in December.

Regarding the question Jarred posed about the use of that gyro data, there exist the potential of using it for stabilization.
Wether that is something that can be rolled into RED Cine X, a separate piece of software, or plug in is another matter but the hope is that the data can at least be used for stabilization.
I'm sure VFX heads, VR/AR, and Unreal Engine users will have their own uses with it.


I think there's more growth to be explored in the current Komodo that will hopefully be fulfilled in the coming firmware updates.

To copy and paste my wishes from another thread.

* Higher end autofocus (Face and Object detection have already been confirmed for Raptor XL)
* slower shutter speeds beyond 1/24
* Horizon level
* Gyroscope support (hopefully if it's actually in there)
* frame summing/averaging modes
* 3K modes with more slow motion options
* speed ramping
* 5K 16:9 modes
* GIO Scope
* HDRX
* wireless streaming performance and stability enhancements
* enhanced sensor performance in lower light (i.e managing some of the color shift issues when pushing the image)
* feature updates seen in the latest V-Raptor updates like ELQ Recording, Low Voltage Warning, QR code for Wifi among others, persistent timecode.
* If ANY more FPS can be squeezed out of KOMODO (like 10 fps more in each mode) that would be greatly appreciated.

Will see.

Brian Timmons
BRITIM/MEDIA
 
Looked like there were nods to that Komodo December firmware update as well as chat about the future of Komodo in there. That December update sounds very interesting. Particular for autofocus. Very curious to see what they are up to on that front.

Looking at Brian's list there's some stuff that can be realistically be added, but there's also stuff that would require different hardware.

I should be testing XL shortly. Time is pressing as I'm about to leave to film until about February 2023 and I'm making some very considerable equipment choices right now. If XL works out for me, it solves two of my major use case issues for work I do.

Jarred did mention something super damn cool before Cleigh changed the subject. That has high, high potential if/when that becomes reality. That would make V-Raptor a defacto choice for a few things. There's such a large focus with Virtual Production obviously with the Sensor Sync Shift and other interesting bits.

Unclear regarding Gyroscope for Komodo, but as it was in DSMC2 and is in V-Raptor the data is there. You can extract it and do things with it. There's just not super sexy OFX Stabilization plugin that makes it dummy simple, but you can take the data and do things with it for sure.
 
A face detect autofocus would be huge. That’s one of the only things the Canons and the Sonys of the world clearly do better, and I’m glad to see RED recognizing that nowadays it’s a headline feature for a huge portion of users. Now, if we could only get them to devote even 1/4 of that effort towards audio.
 
Brian Roberts said:
A face detect autofocus would be huge. That’s one of the only things the Canons and the Sonys of the world clearly do better, and I’m glad to see RED recognizing that nowadays it’s a headline feature for a huge portion of users. Now, if we could only get them to devote even 1/4 of that effort towards audio.
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With cameras now being small computers I think much of the question when developing this technology is how best to implement it and make it ideal for motion picture imaging. I have thoughts on this matter, but I think looking at various other manufacturers implementations is worthwhile as well as injecting some innovation related to general motion picture use cases. That to me alludes to more than one "mode" and more than one way to "operate".
 
Phil Holland said:
Unclear regarding Gyroscope for Komodo, but as it was in DSMC2 and is in V-Raptor the data is there. You can extract it and do things with it. There's just not super sexy OFX Stabilization plugin that makes it dummy simple, but you can take the data and do things with it for sure.
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The gyro data out of dsmc2 was crap. You can easily test it, Record while moving the camera around. Ask Red for the code to extract gyro data out of r3d’s… Then you just need to look at the numbers to understand that the readings are just terribly bad. First it has way to low frequency, in 25fps alot of frames will have the sane reading as the frame before or after, it also heavily drift so when camera is still you get changing numbers. Then ontop of that it is a serious amount of noise in the written data. We wrote a r3d stabilizing program that in its code was all good, everything from focal length to sensor size, lens distortion, vineting etc was taken into account. But all that was to no use as the data was of such poor quality. An Iphone is capable of giving tons better readings.

So yes, hopefully the raptor is different than dsmc2.

From looking at the early komodo stk, as I remember it had slots for gyro data. Never tested it as we where fiddling with this right before komodo cane out so did not have a komodo r3d to run in the program at the time.
 
Mendes Nabil said:
If Graeme can bring back the organic feel of early Red's to Komodo and cut out its digital overall aspect, this could probably be the most dangerous indie camera in the market..
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”Organic” is very difficult to define. But I achieve my version of it by putting something like Zeiss Super Speeds on the Komodo (or the Alexa Mini, for that matter).
 
M Harvey said:
”Organic” is very difficult to define. But I achieve my version of it by putting something like Zeiss Super Speeds on the Komodo (or the Alexa Mini, for that matter).
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Based on what I hear a lot, that makes sense. I recall one British DP saying that he didn't like the Alexa when he first tried it. But, he then tried it with different lenses and he changed his mind.
 
Phil Holland said:
Looked like there were nods to that Komodo December firmware update as well as chat about the future of Komodo in there. That December update sounds very interesting. Particular for autofocus. Very curious to see what they are up to on that front.
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Face tracking is still "the thing" that needs to be added. I've been saying this for a while now; if Komodo can't muster the hardware power to do face tracking, then just put it into Red Control. There are TikTok filters more advanced than the requirement to keep the box attached to someone's face. Using Red Control with the Komodo Link, it's probably stable enough to keep the box tracked on the face you choose.

This is the same idea as having a dedicated monitor. Everyone is like "Komodo can't power the monitor", but just put batteries on a dedicated monitor and you can get rid of the SDI hassle because even if you follow the procedure, it's still a hassle every time you have to change batteries. It also negates the ability to hot-swap batteries as a feature on the Komodo. Just put a BP or Sony battery solution on a dedicated monitor that is attached to the top or through a cable from the top (using an arm for the monitor)

Red's done more advanced stuff than these things.
 
Guys, all this talk about autofocus just make me remember of the DJI LiDAR Range Finder

Looks like you can use it stand alone, focus motor + lidar, but you still need the gimbal to calibrate :chargrined:

I believe Lidar hardware is the future for each use customise to taste how the focus should work.

At least is "affordable" compared with some cine Lidars :excitement:​​​​​​​
 
Roberto Franco said:
Guys, all this talk about autofocus just make me remember of the DJI LiDAR Range Finder

Looks like you can use it stand alone, focus motor + lidar, but you still need the gimbal to calibrate :chargrined:

I believe Lidar hardware is the future for each use customise to taste how the focus should work.

At least is "affordable" compared with some cine Lidars :excitement:
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Roberto yeah,

Feel like Home Feel like Home (Portrait Video) / RED KOMODO / DJI RS3 Pro + LiDAR

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Test: DJI RS 3 Pro LiDAR AF+ Tracking / Zeiss Cine Prime

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Thank you for sharing Rand! It would be so nice if I can buy just the motor and lidar and use stand alone, I' don't like gimbals :(
 
Roberto Franco said:
Thank you for sharing Rand! It would be so nice if I can buy just the motor and lidar and use stand alone, I' don't like gimbals :(
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Roberto,

You're welcome! According to the two videos below, you can use the Dji Lidar system without the Gimbal



Here is the DJI video he is referring to . The how to use Lidar without the Gimbal Tutorial starts at about the 4 minute and 24 second mark (4:24)

 
I believe in the videos above you will have to use the Gimbal for the initial LENS CALIBRATION but after that the info is stored in the FOCUS MOTOR. So maybe rent the gimbal to do the LENS CALIBRATION for all the lenses you may possibly plan to use then you will no longer need the gimbal unless you want to add different or additional lenses,
 
How about if we wait until December and hope that RED wows us with a really good autofocus capability.

:-)
 
Stephen Pruitt said:
How about if we wait until December and hope that RED wows us with a really good autofocus capability.

:-)
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That is a good suggestion if you don't need some type of Autofocusng Capabilities for your Red Komodo until December. You're also hoping and assuming that any Autofocusing capabilities that will come in December will work flawlessly.
 
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We are now living in a "Give me a cinema camera with good autofocus or give me death" world. I suspect RED knows this better than we do. Time will tell, of course.


If there is something new needed to take the Komodo into this world, I hope they do something like the Mysterium to MX upgrade path of many years ago.

Stephen
 
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