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RED Rocket TURBO, WHEN?

Will Keir

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Jarred, Jim, when will we see a new RED Rocket card available?

Thanks.
 
Samir Patel said:
I just read about that NVIDIA GTX Titan. 6GB of RAM! At this point have we reached a point where maybe Rocket is no longer needed?
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Rocket isn't exactly needed today for some folks. It is optional, but it certainly handles dailies, proxies, and rushes if you need them fast and on the spot. Plus you can have more than one in a system.

What we know about the Turbo Rocket is that it's supposed to pump out harder and faster than the current Rocket. Likely good for massive transcode jobs or dealing with media heavy productions such as multiple camera gigs or 3D productions.
 
Samir Patel said:
I just read about that NVIDIA GTX Titan. 6GB of RAM! At this point have we reached a point where maybe Rocket is no longer needed?
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A GPU won't speed up debayering R3D footage, but damn that card look awesome! Perfect for CS6 and Resolve!
 
Can you put one in a Mac Pro Tower?

Brandon J.F. said:
A GPU won't speed up debayering R3D footage, but damn that card look awesome! Perfect for CS6 and Resolve!
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Dominik Muench said:
great, just spent $1600,- to get my rocket fixed :/
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Which is exactly why I haven't and won't be buying a Rocket. The way RED has handled the Rocket failures deeply concerns me, and I refuse to invest in a piece of hardware that, when it fails, will not be covered no matter what.
 
Trevor Meeks said:
Which is exactly why I haven't and won't be buying a Rocket. The way RED has handled the Rocket failures deeply concerns me, and I refuse to invest in a piece of hardware that, when it fails, will not be covered no matter what.
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unfortunately have to agree there, especially since it seems to be more than an isolated event, quite a few people with exactly the same issue.
 
Phil Holland said:
Rocket isn't exactly needed today for some folks. It is optional, but it certainly handles dailies, proxies, and rushes if you need them fast and on the spot. Plus you can have more than one in a system.

What we know about the Turbo Rocket is that it's supposed to pump out harder and faster than the current Rocket. Likely good for massive transcode jobs or dealing with media heavy productions such as multiple camera gigs or 3D productions.
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Whoa I must have missed something, is there officially a Turbo Rocket coming? Last thing I remember was a few months ago when someone from red basically said there won't be a new one, and to just get two rockets for dragon or something along those lines...
 
Jake Wilganowski said:
Whoa I must have missed something, is there officially a Turbo Rocket coming? Last thing I remember was a few months ago when someone from red basically said there won't be a new one, and to just get two rockets for dragon or something along those lines...
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From what I understand it's a new more powerful model and not a replacement. It will cost significantly more than the current rocket too apparently. No eta.
 
Here is what Jarred had to say when asked about a new RED Rocket:

Jarred Land said:
Its inevitable... but it's not a priority right now. It wont really be a replacement, The Turbo Rocket is going to be more for the power mongers out there.. insane speeds with some expensive horsepower.
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He later said it would likely cost twice as much. I seriously doubt we will see it at this upcoming NAB.
 
Based on Jarred's note (referenced by Justin above) my first thought was to just get a second Rocket. I'd be $10K in which is a rough target for the next gen Rocket anyway, without having to wait.

I'd buy a second Rocket today if RED cared to offer a 2 year no questions asked swap policy. For what are likely very sound business reasons, they have not chosen to respond to chatter about Rocket reliability by buffing up the warrantee. Perhaps the wholesale cost of the cards/components is too high to risk having to do tons of replacements/repairs - Jarred has inferred that they have very little margin on the Rockets. Perhaps, it is so easily damaged by static electricity or bending pins or overheating that it would open the door to having to replace way too high a percentage of cards due to circumstances beyond RED's control - if true, its hard to fault them for wanting to avoid that pothole.

Based on notes from Jeff K., CPU's that could decode in close to real time were supposed to be widely available by now (Ivy Bridge, etc) but have been delayed. Perhaps RED felt like it made more sense to just let computer power catch up with the task so people wouldn't have to buy a special $5K card just for RED workflows unless they had very heavy requirements. Logical. I was/am one of those people who was/is waiting for a $4-6K workstation that could get close enough to real time that I wouldn't need a Rocket.

When RED decided to build out a HP820Z as the bomber RED post machine I saw it as a first step toward them working with a 3rd party to configure and design a machine that had enough oomph to rock R3Ds without a Rocket. It makes sense to me that they would rather optimize the handling of R3Ds on workstations than keep tracking on ever more expensive accelerator cards that would only appeal to people who do tons of RED and not much else (not to mention they would always be fighting an uphill battle in terms of bus speed, data hand offs and other elements of workstation design that they can't control).

With .RED encoding on the horizon and ever larger frame sizes to come from Dragon I see the potential for data/post bottlenecks, I'm betting RED has already been working on answers. Here's to hoping that we get to other side of this sooner than later - whether via some ASICs populated PCIe3 card or hybrid processors or more efficient parallelism or ...

Cheers - #19
 
Couldn't have said it better.

A fellow RU didn't want to come over with his Pro Tower because he was worried about the static electric frying his board on the drive over.

Trevor Meeks said:
Which is exactly why I haven't and won't be buying a Rocket. The way RED has handled the Rocket failures deeply concerns me, and I refuse to invest in a piece of hardware that, when it fails, will not be covered no matter what.
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Na, Jarred used the phrase "TURBO" rocket which will be for serious users and will cost more.

Jake Wilganowski said:
Whoa I must have missed something, is there officially a Turbo Rocket coming? Last thing I remember was a few months ago when someone from red basically said there won't be a new one, and to just get two rockets for dragon or something along those lines...
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You know that's not a bad idea. I would buy one too. Blair, if you make a poll, RED will listen.

"Will you buy a new Red Rocket card if we extend the warranty to 2 years?"

Would production insurance cover the failure of a hardware card?
Blair S. Paulsen said:
I'd buy a second Rocket today if RED cared to offer a 2 year no questions asked swap policy.
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I can play 5KFF full in PR CS6 24FPS on my computer(2*2690), not quite smooth, but almost. 1/2 is smooth(that's the top resolution on my screen). AVID can play S3D (2*5KFF)in HD half-quality almost smooth (Disable HT or it will get only 50% speed on my computer), which is already enough for editing. RR is same expensive as my computer's mainboard+CPUs+GPU. Anyway I do hope RED can provide a Turbo RR of 4 time speed on the original price or a bit more expensive, the present model RR is kind of a Chinese word"JeeLay"(chicken ribs）, which means not good enough for you to have one, but without it you will also feel something missed.
 
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