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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

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Rob Anderson said:
This all sounds great. The key problem with a service like YouTube, and one that ODEMAX may even eventually need to counter, is that another 3 or 4 years down the track, content will be completely unsearchable. You won't be able to find anything without already knowing the unique ID of the content you want. Search for anything within that top-1% of content on iTunes, and you'll find it. Dump the other 99% of 'stuff' out there, and now you'll never find anything you want. Already searching for a music video by a major artists results in dozens, if not thousands, of bad returns. And consider, a service like YouTube is in an infantile stage. 3-4 years it will be unusable as-is. 10 years+ and it will be an endless mass of nothing.

Google can attack this problem by; (1) creating "top content" results only and offering filters to remove results for spin off and other second+ generation content, (2) periodically archiving YouTube and wiping the slate letting users search within catalogues, or possibly (3) offering smart filters for removing content with bad audio, visual, or copyright-infringing sources. They also need to force users to provide more details about uploads and allow viewers to append +/- tags to improve results. The next version of YouTube and/or anything that wants to take on YT directly, needs to have very sharp tools to quickly cut away chaff.

Good problems to have. Particularly if it's all in 4K.
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There is a fantastic Ted talk about search engine mechanics and how none of us get the same search result anymore and the danger being a narrower world view

http://www.ted.com/talks/eli_pariser_beware_online_filter_bubbles.html
 
Will it currently output 3d to framepack active 3d tv for the time being.
 
Exciting stuff ! Especially Odemax. Finally a new no compromise and fair distribution channel.

On thing still isn't clear for me : do you absolutely need a RR player to play the Odemax content, or can you decode and play it from any computer ? If you can play it from any computer, is it free or do you need to buy the $20 licence too ?

Also, what about subtitles and choices for different languages ? Is that included ?
 
Jarred Land said:
Have you ever met Graeme? I am almost certain he was pulled out of middle earth.
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The coal fields of northern England actually, which somewhat look like mines of Middle Earth :-)

Graeme
 
Mark L. Pederson said:
I can think of potential solutions - I just want to know how ODEMAX intends to manage this -
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I think you need to ask a different question: "How can I tell if someone is gaming the system?"

This situation is similar to determining if a theater is playing unauthorized recordings or using consumer DVDs.

You need to create an audit trail. Put a tag line in the end credits that reads: "For exclusive content, email a picture of your ticket stub to specialfeatures@(yourfilmswebsite).com

You will typically see a cluster of emails every time the movie is shown; if it doesn't match up to the ODEMAX reports, you then look a the picture of the ticket stub to see who the culprit is and take action.
 
Given the you tube type experience, my first thought was " this is eventually going to be a clusterfuck of similar proportions". But isn't 99% of you tubes mess created by individuals who have invested nothing more than the minute or two it takes to push a couple of buttons? The extra steps to Odemax will surely weed out that great majority. Still, just like TV, there will be a lot of commercial bunk and other junk, a LOT of it. It's gonna be a challenge for the no names for sure, but that is nothing new, and at least there is a level playing field, even if it has increased in size. No matter, this had to be done sooner or later, and who knows, quality might just rise from the clamor. Being an early adopter is not going to hurt one's chances of success, that's for sure.
 
I believe RR/Odemax is mainly a business-2-business thing. „Normal“ users or let‘s say the masses don‘t pay $1,450 for another box in their living room. 4K TVs for less than $2k will take at least another 2 years until late 2014. It is likely that many people will own an iPad 4K or MacbookPro 4K before they buy a 4K TV. And with upcoming „real“ 4K GoPros and 4K DSLRs iTunes will support 4K as well. So the „Normal Enduser“ will then stream 4K wirelessly to his iDevice without an additional box.

The key advantage of RR over platforms like iTunes/YouTube are the highly compressed 4K files at 2.5MB/s. A RR 4G/USB-Stick that connects to Odemax and decodes/plays .Red files for less than $100 together with an Odemax subscription model would be nice. But that‘s wishful thinking.
 
Very clever ;-)

Kristin

Claus Mueller said:
I believe RR/Odemax is mainly a business-2-business thing. „Normal“ users or let‘s say the masses don‘t pay $1,450 for another box in their living room. 4K TVs for less than $2k will take at least another 2 years until late 2014. It is likely that many people will own an iPad 4K or MacbookPro 4K before they buy a 4K TV. And with upcoming „real“ 4K GoPros and 4K DSLRs iTunes will support 4K as well. So the „Normal Enduser“ will then stream 4K wirelessly to his iDevice without an additional box.

The key advantage of RR over platforms like iTunes/YouTube are the highly compressed 4K files at 2.5MB/s. A RR 4G/USB-Stick that connects to Odemax and decodes/plays .Red files for less than $100 together with an Odemax subscription model would be nice. But that‘s wishful thinking.
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Will commercials be tacked on to one's content? Can one sell commercial content for inclusion in a project? In other words, how might the commercial virus enter into the game? And what sort of content controlling factors are in place, if any? Is this truly a free for all?
 
Bill Anderson said:
Will commercials be tacked on to one's content? Can one sell commercial content for inclusion in a project? In other words, how might the commercial virus enter into the game? And what sort of content controlling factors are in place, if any? Is this truly a free for all?
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Good questions. Maybe it is like the Cultural Revolution... i.e., out of chaos will come order.

But at least initially, it sounds like ODEMAX is content to take their percentage. I suspect any commercial thing will be the content provider's choice. There should, however, be something attached to the content listing denoting commercial content.
 
And on that note: another angle as far as indie to indie collaboration is concerned: tack on trailers of one another's Odemax content. Form alliances, create fronts, start playing the studio game.
 
Bill Anderson said:
And on that note: another angle as far as indie to indie collaboration is concerned: tack on trailers of one another's Odemax content. Form alliances, create fronts, start playing the studio game.
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I was going to suggest a "trailer channel", but I like this idea too.
 
And since ODEMAX is apparently acting as simply a go-between the content provider and the customer, I wonder who will be responsible for ratings? Will the movie have to pass some ratings test or will ODEMAX be somehow required to put a rating on each movie? Will there only be a disclaimer saying the movie should only be downloaded by people of a certain age or will this be the wild west? And will the content provider be subject to any fines or penalties for mis-rating a movie, if it does indeed fall upon the author? And does the RedRay have parental settings, meaning there is no need to have ratings? So many questions... so much time to figure them out.

And lastly, will some govt legislative body make laws to regulate and tax this new-found way to liberate distribution?
 
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New Q Will Red have a channel on ODEMax with Loom,tattoo,hobbit Etc. :)
How did the hobbit get in there Heh Heh Heh
 
Peter: "Jim, I get your points, but even when I convince the studios going 48fps and 3D, I mean who is gonna really watch it that way? It's not like there is a way to do that at home within the next twenty years..."
Jim: "Don't worry about it Pete. It's been taken care of."
Peter:".... Ah. Ok. I'll go and do the movie then."
 
Mike P. said:
I'm sorry if this has been answered, but can any files be encoded to 4k .RED for REDray distribution or only .r3d source files?
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Why do people keep asking things like this? Isn't it incredibly, blindingly obvious?

What, RED would make a distribution format that you could only render to from the camera negative? That would mean no titles, no CG effects, no graphics, no secondary colour correction, no transitions except straight cuts, etc. Such a format would be almost entirely useless! A waste of time and money.

Of course any format can be used.
 
I'm going to repeat a question I asked much earlier in this thread because to my knowledge it hasn't been answered yet. What is the relative speed of the encoder, either in frames per second or approximate encoding time per, say, 1 hour of material? And does that speed scale with hardware, and if so, which hardware? In other words, is the encoder CUDA enabled, does it benefit from additional GPU's, is the license per processor, etc?
 
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