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How to get "film look" on Epic for cinema?

BRANDON JAMESON said:
"I bought the same canvas and oil paints as Picasso used , but all the art I make looks like beginner crap.
When I go to museums, his work looks SO much better, why is that?"
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Incredibly well said Brandon, its not the tools its the operator is something I hear on the boards quite often. It's not a simple effect you throw on your footage; each scene, even each take could have its own look. If you really want your images to look like "film" define what that is to you (deep blacks, high contrast, flat, washed out, etc) and spend a couple days infront of a color corrected monitor trying to re-create it with a scene you think deserves that look. Or hire a professional colorist, watch over their shoulder, talk with them about what you are trying to create, and watch what aspects of the image they work with to create that look. If they can't pull the look you want they'll tell you why and you can learn from that (i.e. not enough information in the highlights or too wide a range, etc.). re-light, re-shoot, re-try until you get your look. While the digital era has brought on a lot of cut and paste aspects to filming, there is still a reason that there is an entire industry dedicated to the craft of lighting, shooting, grading and editing movies with a "film look" :) Not trying to be rude with the last comment, just saying that as easy as Red and personal computers have made it to create professional looking moving images, there is a reason that there are professionals who's life is dedicated to the honing of their craft, and some things are not just an easy filter and quick export away.
 
Why don't you post a video of the elusive "film look" and then post a video you shot that you wish had the "film look"
 
Not that I know anything about film look, but try putting a master prime lens on the beast and then try shooting? maybe it'll fix your problem;)
 
Geographic and socio economic differences make your amen comment as clueless as your original unhelpful comment

This is not a site solely for professionals and maybe he is and shoots weddings, I say you get over yourself and add something useful
Or kindly find another thread to crap on... Owner operators, some of them first time camera owners, who ReDx thrives on, relies on
Forums like this for help - not to be insulted for your perceived lack of professionalism
 
Tim Whitcomb said:
Geographic and socio economic differences make your amen comment as clueless as your original unhelpful comment

This is not a site solely for professionals and maybe he is and shoots weddings, I say you get over yourself and add something useful
Or kindly find another thread to crap on... Owner operators, some of them first time camera owners, who ReDx thrives on, relies on
Forums like this for help - not to be insulted for your perceived lack of professionalism
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Dunno if this was directed at me. And if it was... I get some of it...

BUT
To some extent... I stand by (the unfortunately) implied part of my comment, which is about understanding how photography and lenses work. There is tons of material out there that explains the effect on an exposure. And as that is pretty much physics, no plugin wherever can really fix that for you. Not anyone I have seen, at least.

Un derstanding the relation between shutter, framerate, aperture, contrast, the length of the lense and the size of the field the object is exposed to, is NOT a secret sauce given to some few gifted. It is pretty straightforeward, but is often mystisised to the extent that many don't bother to look into that.

Beyond that, it is kind of art and storytelling and personal preference.

But until you have some kind of concept about what affects the image (physically) in what way... It is rather hard to get beyond the surface.

Sorry if that was impertinent.
BUT I think it is AS silly to say that Magic Bullet makes a filmlook, as it is to suggest to get some masters and shoot constantly at 1.3
 
Gunleik Groven said:
Things too often start on gear and metadata questions, instead of checking out how the lighting and exposure actually was done...
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I am surprised to see this kind of threads here at RedUser. I have seen this question popping so many times on DSLR forums with always the same two answers.
- What is a filmic look? (yes, to some, a question is an answer)
- Lighting your set properly.

“Learn the rules before you try to bend or break them. You need a foundation on which to build.”
-Douglas Slocombe, BSC​
 
Victor Lazaro said:
I am surprised to see this kind of threads here at RedUser. I have seen this question popping so many times on DSLR forums with always the same two answers.
- What is a filmic look? (yes, to some, a question is an answer)
- Lighting your set properly.

“Learn the rules before you try to bend or break them. You need a foundation on which to build.”
-Douglas Slocombe, BSC​
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If there ever was a l"like" button...
 
Victor Lazaro said:
I am surprised to see this kind of threads here at RedUser. I have seen this question popping so many times on DSLR forums with always the same two answers.
- What is a filmic look? (yes, to some, a question is an answer)
- Lighting your set properly.

“Learn the rules before you try to bend or break them. You need a foundation on which to build.”
-Douglas Slocombe, BSC​
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INDEED!!!!!
 
I would say that a lot of the "film look" is proper exposure. Nothing screams video like clipping bits everywhere. A digicon will remove harshness as previously mentioned as well. Protect your highlights and be careful with white shirts! The TS mentioned something about wide shots having film look as well. Wide shots like cities etc are also intercuted with shots that were painstakingly lit and then graded by pros matching them together. You could call this "suspension of camera disbelief". :)
 
I'v worked on quite a few red shoots now. I have worked with some really good DPs with lots of experience and got my footage professionally graded in London. But I'm yet to get that commercial feature film look. It is very hard to explain which is why I can relate to the OP. Most people I know can tell when a movie is a Hollywood production and when it is an indie movie even if they can't put their finger on why. I did a test a few months back, to emulate a scene from a hollywood movie (shot on epic), properly lit, 24 frames, 180 degree shutter (and various other settings). After colour grading, I put the two side by side. While it was paused, it looked almost identicle. It looked like a hollywood movie. Then I pressed the play button, and that is where everything broke down. In motion, the movie looks like an indie movie, low budget look. Side by side with the commercial feature film, there was an overall more unreal movement about the commercial movie, where as my footage felt like video and more realistic.

Now when I shot a music video on a dslr, it looked like dslr footage. Yet when it was played on tv, it had a more commercial TV look to it and seemed to fit well. I'm yet to figure this out....
 
You must be happy that the fixed Scarlet never came. Otherwise there would be hundreds of threads like this here...
 
Felix K. said:
You must be happy that the fixed Scarlet never came. Otherwise there would be hundreds of threads like this here...
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I really distinkte your attittude after the scarlet announcement, but:
Hahahahahahahahahahhhahaahhaaaaaha!
 
This might give you an idea of what goes in to the post work to get a very good look.
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showth...Scapes-4K-quot&p=890617&viewfull=1#post890617
I recently worked on friends independent project as the DP and the one condition I asked was that they would spend the time to do a final coloring on the project. They all asked why until they saw the results of the work done in post by talented folks.
 
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