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batch upresing? any solution?

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anyone have a solution to batch upres 480p or 720p material to 1080p?

something like red giant InstantHD, but batch processing, like Adobe media encoder, but with a solution to upress hundreds of 1280x720 video to 1920x1080?

Mike
 
hundreds? instantHD gives the best results but you'd still need to copy paste the effect to the hundreds of layers and then setup your AE export prefrences to render out everything ok. I'm checking the cow and AEplugins to see if theres an easier way to copy hundreds of instantHD effects but not finding much at the moment :/
 
ya like 500-1000 clips that are 720p or 480p

I have researched a way to automate it inside of premiere. no luck.... so I was hoping to find someone with a batch upresing solution
 
MikeHedge said:
ya like 500-1000 clips that are 720p or 480p

I have researched a way to automate it inside of premiere. no luck.... so I was hoping to find someone with a batch upresing solution
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Lots of transcoding programs can upres, procoder, sorenson squeeze, mpeg streamclip. The question is at what quality, from and to what format, and can they handle all your files at once or will you have to break them into smaller lots.

Mpegstreamclip is a good option as it is free, so you can test it out first and if it works for purpose use that to upres your footage.

Alternatively, I supposeyou could put things on a timeline and play them out using a hardware card from AJA or Black magic to get realtime performance, but you'd not have matching timecodes to the originals which would be a hassle.

Otherwise there are open source tools that you could probably pay someone to write a script for, or maybe you could send timelines to Davinci Lite and render out from there.
 
The above solutions work.

Don't do this through Premiere, do this through Adobe Media Encoder. Create a preset, drap all your clips and apply the preset. That should do it.

It's easier now with CS5.5 too if you've upgraded.
 
thanks Craig for some options.

Phil!!!

ok a preset in adobe media converter, ya, but how do I also add in the InstantHD, and get that somehow in a preset?

Mike
 
Hi Mike, Instant HD is a plugin, that is using an algorithm to do the upscaling. Every other program will also use an algorithm to do upscaling as well. The quality, speed, and efficiency of that algorithm tends to be different between each program because of various factors (from different algorithms to the way footage is processed before or after the algorithm to a number of other factors).

You won't be able to get the same results as Instant HD in all likelihood unless the developers for Instant HD offer a their own batch processing version, or a way to use the plug in with batch encoding software (something I am not aware of many companies doing, the only exception I can think of is Telestream making plugins for Compressor, but that's probably because they can directly access the Quicktime architecture in OS X which compressor also uses more than anything else.)

That doesn't mean you won't get equivalent or better results with other batch encoding/transcoding software, You just need to work out which tool is best for your workflow, budget and existing hardware.
 
Craig, basically answered that for me. Since Instant HD is a plugin there's no quick way to have it interact with Adobe Media Encoder. What I was describing was using Adobe Media Encoder and creating a present for you to use as it can perform the upscaling and handles batches nicely.

I could probably figure out a way with a little bit of scripting to make either a dummy Premiere Pro or After Effects project, add Instant HD, and trim each project's export settings to clip duration. But in reality, I would just use Adobe Media Encoder to simplify that task. Do some tests to see if there's any visual difference between your different upscaling techniques and go from there.
 
ok... when you say upscaling, you mean just stretch the 720p to the 1080p in adobe media encoder right? this would not use InstantHD, so would just be a pixelated 1080p?
 
Do you mean to do it with best possible quality or are you looking for speed.
Batch export in final cut will do exports to any file size (might get problem with the amount of files you are mentioning) but a few hundred at a time is no problem.
Then there is a better program called "Episode" it handles large batches and also do frame rate, cropping, or other wanted changes / conversions etc in all ways you can think of.
Or you can test our: "Syndicate Capture tool"

availabe demo here: http://www.syndicate.se/Default.aspx?Id=311

The capture tool is really simple and it batch renders files to files and also has some other enhancement. And it takes XML files which helps out a lot when working with SLR and final cut etc.

If you like it I give you license key for half price wich is 100USD, just send me a PM.
 
your syndicate tool looks neat. but I am all Adobe. on a PC.

speed not really. I am looking for the upresing quality that instantHD gives you, but I want to convert hundreds of 720 and 480p files to 1080p.

thanks
 
I onlined a doc a few years ago that was a mix of 480 (DVX), 720 (HVX) & Red. Had exactly the same issues as you. My solution was a bit complex, but it worked. I was in Final Cut at the time, but a variation of this should work for you:
* Created separate tracks for each format
* Roundtrip non-Red footage via Color for a trim pass to recover superwhites (over 100 IRE) in DVX/HVX footage. This also has the benefit of creating new QuickTime files at the length I need (plus handles).
* Import footage into AE
* use a script in AE to batch process, using a plugin preset. (I believe this also renamed the files for me)

At the time I used Instant HD advanced, which is by far the best upressing I've seen; however, it had some pretty serious bugs that I don't think they were ever able to work out. Its main advantage was that it did inter-frame analysis.

These days I use compressor. I find it's advanced motion estimation to be just as good as the frame-by-frame plugins that are out there (like InstantHD)
 
MikeHedge said:
your syndicate tool looks neat. but I am all Adobe. on a PC.

speed not really. I am looking for the upresing quality that instantHD gives you, but I want to convert hundreds of 720 and 480p files to 1080p.

thanks
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Thenmy advice would be "episode" for pc.
 
Trevor, so you did instandHD in AE and finished like that? is there a way to batch in AE, so that say 300 files on the timeline get exported as 300 new files using instantHD?

thanks Paul.

here's what I found for episode:
http://www.telestream.net/episode/overview.htm

cheers
thanks
 
I may have missed something, but why can't you do this in Compressor?
OR
why not drop on the timeline (all your clips) and then export the timeline and then set your finished output to the codec you want and have FCP output those clips to HD clips? and then have it output as individual clips?
 
hey Johnny. I am in premiere on a PC.

but fcp can do some batch upresing maybe I could find someone.

I know compressor can change the resolution, but upresing like instantHD?

you said "drop the clips onto the timeline, then export individual clips" ? fcp can somehow export several hundred clips like that?

in premiere, the whole timeline is treated as one giant clip in exporting.

in FCP there's a setting to export each clip as a new file?

Mike
 
Yes, in FCP you can drop individual clips on the timeline; then export the timeline (i'm going from memory here) to a new project and then output that project to whatever you like....and then click in advanced settings something like export each individual clip. I'd have to dig through my notes to find it, but that's what i always did wen doing stock work and taking a long clip and cutting it and coloring how i wanted and then exporting each of those clips on the timeline as an INDIVIDUAL clip....i never upresed anything, but don't see why you couldn't.
 
Yes I used After Effects and a script. But that was with InstantHD Advanced, which is no longer available.

For the best results with the least pain, I'd find a buddy with Compresser and create a preset using the motion estimation upressing tools. Going to be much higher quality than an NLE (FCP or Premiere) and in my opinion, the equal of InstantHD (the plain vanilla version... Although I do really wish they'd bring back Advanced. It was stellar, if they can fix the bugs)
 
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