Scarlet's World Premiere... (BTS Video from SF)

[Adam C Lubkin]

I have watched this thread unfold for 12 pages and I have to admit. I just don't get it. You have an enthusiastic 19 year old kid who got the opportunity of a lifetime to shoot a camera that is somewhat legendary before it is even released. He was, quite understandably, completely and totally jazzed and he let that enthusiasm show through. As far as we know, he was the first "private citizen" to shoot Scarlet "in the wild" and was allowed to talk about it - even show video of himself doing it. He wanted to share as much of that experience as he was allowed to and he did. WTF is so terribly wrong with that? He posted it as BTS and now some people are bummed out because A) they didn't know what BTS meant? or, B) they misunderstood what was happening? What?

It shouldn't have taken a terribly long time to figure out what was going on as soon as you opened the thread. Are you angry because a few minutes of your valuable time was wasted? Are you embarrassed because you feel you were fooled into clicking on the thread? Are you jealous that someone else got to shoot Scarlet before you? You certainly can't get angry with Joseph for not showing you the footage as I am sure that was not his decision. And, frankly, I don't know how you can blame RED either since the very least of their considerations would be whether they want the first substantial footage from Scarlet to be under these conditions. They get enough criticism on this board for not "perfecting" their footage in post before posting lest someone get the wrong perception. As always, they can't win with some folks.

Like I said, I just don't get all the anger and criticism here. Ketch and Joseph are light-hearted, outgoing guys who like to share. What did they do that was so terribly wrong? :confused1:

Well said, Terry. Ketch and Joseph are great guys and just trying to spread the love as much as possible. If they could take everyone up in the helicopter with them I'm sure they would.

 

[Dan Kanes]

I work as camera op for a production house. Earlier this week we had a meeting regardless new project we are supposed to film this summer and fall for one of the cable networks. I think RED is missing the boat with Scarlet and the market is changing at the moment to the point that this camera will be obsolete before it is released. Last year my boss was interested in the camera, as it would fit the bill- cost vs size vs picture quality. At the moment there are some game changers, like new Hyperdeck for #345 (cheap) or CD Gemini (still half the price of Cinedek) or Sidekick!!! Gee, we will have to spend just a fraction of money to upgrade all of our cameras into uncompressed/ProRes formats. We can use all the lenses, standard 12V batteries and none of the proprietary crap.
It's really hard to take RED serious as far as company. The web page is not updated and the PR is on parr with a garage operation, where the information is leaking through back channels instead of official press releases. I mean this camera is still as a working prototype, not even a pre production unit. A few seconds of looped footage doesn't qualify as something people can judge the quality either.

Do you remember a little company called Apple Computer that Started in a little garage?

If you feel good about giving your money to someone who is intentionally selling you something that is obsolete out of the box, then nothing is stopping you from going Sony or Panasonic.

If you have ever graded Red footage and then compared it to grading footage from an EX-1 or 5DII then you will already see the value of a scarlet. If it's all about "cheap" and "available" then there are cameras that "sort of" fit the bill now. Do you want compromise? I don't. I want the best I can get in digital imaging.

 

[Ketch Rossi]

Well said, Terry. Ketch and Joseph are great guys and just trying to spread the love as much as possible. If they could take everyone up in the helicopter with them I'm sure they would.

Thanks for the kind words Adam... If every one only knew what it is coming to them via KETCH ROSSi STUDiOS...

...I want the best I can get in digital imaging.

So do I Dan, this is why I chose RED, and it was not about cheapest, fortunately I can afford Expensive too,
it was all about getting the absolute best image quality possible out of a Cinema camera, that will happen to do also stills...

 

[Mark Toia]

Well.. that all said...

Ketch, do you hire your EPIC "M" ?
The guys hinted they would sell me one.. But I think they were just playing with me.
No contact still.

Oh and Joseph, I say good on you mate. , Great strategy letting a keen young fella like your self blaze away with it.
RED is very clever with the entry level thinking. I've just sent this link to about 40 young guys I know that do skate videos, short films, music clips. They were all dicking around with those 7d's!... The way you were holding the camera from the top hand doing 120fps bursts sold them I'm sure.

Having toys like this in your hands for two months now makes me very very bloody jealous.

Come on RED, call me pleeeeeeeeaseeeeee......

 

[Ketch Rossi]

Well.. that all said...

Ketch, do you hire your EPIC "M" ?

Yes Mark, we do, no dry rental, but the Epic M, Epic Under Water Housing, Master Primes, Red Pro Primes and Zooms, as well all other gear, is for hire...

ketchrossi@ketchrossistudios.com for info.

 

[Robert Rogoz]

Do you remember a little company called Apple Computer that Started in a little garage?

If you feel good about giving your money to someone who is intentionally selling you something that is obsolete out of the box, then nothing is stopping you from going Sony or Panasonic.

If you have ever graded Red footage and then compared it to grading footage from an EX-1 or 5DII then you will already see the value of a scarlet. If it's all about "cheap" and "available" then there are cameras that "sort of" fit the bill now. Do you want compromise? I don't. I want the best I can get in digital imaging.

Unfortunately RED is not Apple, don't even try to compare- Apple delivered from day one. And no, you can't see the footage from Scarlet, I think that is the crux of the problem, isn't it? And if the footage is so great, why isn't it shown yet? I am not angry or anything, I am just pointing out that maybe the business strategy is backfiring. I don't have personal allegiance to Sony, Panasonic or JVC or RED. For me these products (computers as well) are just tools. I am just pointing fact that maybe due to delays caused by constant upgrades (like HDR) may cause some potential customers to secure their needs via different method.
Convergent Design is a small company delivering a great product and they are much more business savvy. Company I work for does mostly stuff for broadcast, so even 2K is overkill to work with. As long as the imager is 1080 and it's above 50Mbs any broadcaster will buy such footage. The reason of my original post was that my boss could not find any info if a 2/3" servo broadcast lens would work on Scarlet. Maybe it's time to update the web page?

 

[Terry VerHaar]

Unfortunately RED is not Apple, don't even try to compare- Apple delivered from day one. And no, you can't see the footage from Scarlet, I think that is the crux of the problem, isn't it? And if the footage is so great, why isn't it shown yet? I am not angry or anything, I am just pointing out that maybe the business strategy is backfiring. I don't have personal allegiance to Sony, Panasonic or JVC or RED. For me these products (computers as well) are just tools. I am just pointing fact that maybe due to delays caused by constant upgrades (like HDR) may cause some potential customers to secure their needs via different method.
Convergent Design is a small company delivering a great product and they are much more business savvy. Company I work for does mostly stuff for broadcast, so even 2K is overkill to work with. As long as the imager is 1080 and it's above 50Mbs any broadcaster will buy such footage. The reason of my original post was that my boss could not find any info if a 2/3" servo broadcast lens would work on Scarlet. Maybe it's time to update the web page?

The really great news is that you can buy whatever you want from whomever you want whenever you want it. What could be better?

 

[Roshdi Alkadri]

Hey, that's not the point at all here. We're not in the recon forum. I'm not angry against RED & inevitable delays.

RED gave to only few people a great opportunity to test months before their release those new cams and we can only thank RED company for this.

This thread is only about people outside of the RED company who had that opportunity and the result (?) of that test drive. At least we could have a complete review ? No, nothing for us.

A lower profile video title and a disclaimer that clearly stated : "We were not allowed by RED company to release any video material from RED cams because of NDA, early firmware or whatever" would be preferable.

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hmmm, i see. That's a good point too.

 

[Ketch Rossi]

Obviously Ketch Rossi is a bad influence on Joseph Hutson who has turned into a troublemaker! :w00t:

I do what I can...

Thanks to Ketch and Joseph for the videos.

My pleasure Robert.

 

[Stephen Gentle]

I work as camera op for a production house. Earlier this week we had a meeting regardless new project we are supposed to film this summer and fall for one of the cable networks. I think RED is missing the boat with Scarlet and the market is changing at the moment to the point that this camera will be obsolete before it is released. Last year my boss was interested in the camera, as it would fit the bill- cost vs size vs picture quality. At the moment there are some game changers, like new Hyperdeck for #345 (cheap) or CD Gemini (still half the price of Cinedek) or Sidekick!!! Gee, we will have to spend just a fraction of money to upgrade all of our cameras into uncompressed/ProRes formats. We can use all the lenses, standard 12V batteries and none of the proprietary crap.

What are you doing here then..? If sub-1080p resolution ProRes is all you want/need, then it sounds like you're all set.

But I don't see any cameras that are being released this year that shoot over full 2K measured resolution at 120 frames per second in a $6000 package. You won't be able to get a camera (apart from Scarlet) like that for even three times the money for a few years at least. So the idea of Scarlet being obsolete before it's released is a little crazy to me.

 

[Malvin Ng]

Joseph, thanks for the videos.

did you pay much attention to the Scarlet's auto-focus? i have a couple of Sony camera where, unless I'm outside or under set lights, the autofocus is pretty useless because they both constantly "search" for focus every couple of seconds. I'm guessing you've experienced similar with your Z1. basically, any time i'm in low light i can't use auto focus at all. did you experience any of that with the Scarlet or did it hold pretty well?

The Scarlet Fixed's autofocus is pretty good even in low light...
Here's a video which shows it in action =)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKQXM9UP7_g&hd=1

 

[Ash Worth]

What are you doing here then..? If sub-1080p resolution ProRes is all you want/need, then it sounds like you're all set.

That's all most here need. This is the reality. If you doubt this then you have no clue about what it takes to get something on the big screen. Do that many people really believe their projects belong on the big screen?

Looking at the title of this post it all now makes sense. If you come to Scarlet RED USER you must suspend all your notions of reality. This is not reality. Only on RED USER would there be a post including 'Scarlet' and 'World Premiere' and there be no Scarlet footage. Only here would this be acceptable because this is an alternative reality. A reality where more has been written about a product that is not available to use... and this has been going on for 4 years. Only on RED USER is this not unusual behavior.

But there is a weird beauty in all of this. It's the high and the low, the up and the down, the extreme contrast. On the upper end they have created a potential masterpiece in cinema acquisition, on the bottom end a complete clusterf**k of product development.

I love it all.

 

[Benoît-Joan Clariana-Roig]

The Scarlet Fixed's autofocus is pretty good even in low light...
Here's a video which shows it in action =)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKQXM9UP7_g&hd=1

That kind of video is priceless. Thanks for sharing that.

It's great to see how clear is the picture in the dark & exposed areas at the same time. Unbelievable. :w00t:

 

[Sean Finnegan]

That's all most here need. This is the reality. If you doubt this then you have no clue about what it takes to get something on the big screen. Do that many people really believe their projects belong on the big screen?

Looking at the title of this post it all now makes sense. If you come to Scarlet RED USER you must suspend all your notions of reality. This is not reality. Only on RED USER would there be a post including 'Scarlet' and 'World Premiere' and there be no Scarlet footage. Only here would this be acceptable because this is an alternative reality. A reality where more has been written about a product that is not available to use... and this has been going on for 4 years. Only on RED USER is this not unusual behavior.

But there is a weird beauty in all of this. It's the high and the low, the up and the down, the extreme contrast. On the upper end they have created a potential masterpiece in cinema acquisition, on the bottom end a complete clusterf**k of product development.

I love it all.

RED makes quality products and treats the people who support the company right. I have no doubt in my mind that when Scarlet releases it will be everything I wanted in a camera and far more. If you don't feel the same, then that's fine. But it's one thing to disagree and another to come onto the forums and voice what seems to be an antagonistic view of Scarlet, the people who are interested in Scarlet, and Scarlet's viability in the future market. I for one don't like to read that kind of thing here.

 

[Stephen Matthews]

There is a difference between what we need and want, many want a true motion picture camera similar to 16mm and 35mm with the grading latitude and features that you can do many things with, ramping, slow motion, pre record, and many more. Now that's why I'm interested in these camera's, am I sitting on my hands not doing anything though because they are not out hell no, just because I am on here does not mean I am not shooting and looking at and even buying other camera's. But I'm still going to get a red camera when I can because of the creative freedom that I want and it will give me, can I get it with others yes, will it be the same depends. What do we care anyway, we are the one's who benefit from all this, as long as we are smart about plotting our course through the minefield of new technologies, I couldn't care less about how they release product what style they have who shot the first video what I care about is what the camera can do in my hands what can I do with it in post not what others tell me it can do or they can do.

Ash if that's how you feel you should just leave not telling you to leave I just think it might be healthier for you, and making semi insulting comments attacking the site and it's members isn't going to get you anywhere, we are all entitled to our opinions but it's much easier to swallow them when you cover them with a little sugar.

but no one has to listen to me so... do whatever you want act however you want it's your life and your legacy not mine.

play nice!

 

[Terry VerHaar]

That's all most here need. This is the reality. If you doubt this then you have no clue about what it takes to get something on the big screen. Do that many people really believe their projects belong on the big screen?

Looking at the title of this post it all now makes sense. If you come to Scarlet RED USER you must suspend all your notions of reality. This is not reality. Only on RED USER would there be a post including 'Scarlet' and 'World Premiere' and there be no Scarlet footage. Only here would this be acceptable because this is an alternative reality. A reality where more has been written about a product that is not available to use... and this has been going on for 4 years. Only on RED USER is this not unusual behavior.

But there is a weird beauty in all of this. It's the high and the low, the up and the down, the extreme contrast. On the upper end they have created a potential masterpiece in cinema acquisition, on the bottom end a complete clusterf**k of product development.

I love it all.

What I haven't figured out is why you keep showing up here. Do you also hang out on street corners pushing and shoving people just to get a reaction? Is this a cry out for attention? :lol:

 

[Malvin Ng]

That kind of video is priceless. Thanks for sharing that.

It's great to see how clear is the picture in the dark & exposed areas at the same time. Unbelievable. :w00t:

No problem =) Yep, it's also amazing how fast the AF is in such low-light conditions.

 

[Ash Worth]

What I haven't figured out is why you keep showing up here. Do you also hang out on street corners pushing and shoving people just to get a reaction? Is this a cry out for attention? :lol:

No Terry it's a cry out for footage.

 

[Terry VerHaar]

No Terry it's a cry out for footage.

But why? It will be 3K, which you say you don't need. You don't really seem to want a RED product as far as I can tell. Even when you get Scarlet footage, will you be satisfied or will you simply find something else to complain about?

I probably should have left my last question to you off since it was rhetorical. The real questions I hoped you'd answer were the first two; why are you here and do you hang out on corners shoving people around to get a reaction? Seriously, I am curious. :coolgleamA:

 

[Tim Hole]

Is it time to break it out again...