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Professionalism is about reliability, confidence, dependability.

A professional person is someone who earns his living doing a specific job, people pay him to do the job and he gets it done. They can count on him.

A professional camera should be the same. You pay for it to do a job, you should be able to count on it to do it. Then you can concentrate on your job.

Cheers,
Damien
 
What is professional:

Regarding tools: "Stuff that works".

Wether it is software or hardware, i think professional must deliver.

I expect it to surprise me.
I expect it to provide the means to express my vision,
even though i may not know about the specific details
at the point of purchase.

Professional is trust. Confidence. Reliability.

... and thrust ...
:-)

I expect it, to teach me, to expand my capability.

I expect it to have, what i need to get the job done.
I expect it to provide, whenever the challenge comes up.


What professional should be:
Again, wether software or hardware, a professional tool should adapt to the workflow and process - as opposed to forcing the user into a "technical framework".


I think, Apple is very good at this.
Red, too.

:-)
 
Jim Jannard is not a professional. If he was, he would have never started Oakley nor RED.

Jim Jannard is an amateur or, "lover of". One of the greatest of them all.

You cannot buy loyalty nor commitment. RED must consist of an army of amateurs and Jim will make sure it stays that way.

The heart wants what the heart wants.
 
May not be the answer to the original question, but RED has made me think like a professional.
I've come a long way from thinking; "what a cool camcorder" when I first read about Scarlet 1.0 to understanding all the little technical nuances and applications of gear far beyond camcorders and how to combine them with storytelling in order to get an end result that I think of as professional.
For me there isn't a dollar figure attached to pro, it's become the mindset for a goal
 
Jeff J Daniels said:
A professional operates within a set level of standards, if not one step ahead.

A professional delivers, not matter the circumstance.
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What he said.

Historically there has always been a sizeable divide between 'pro' gear and hobbyist/prosumer in terms of cost and features. I think that's a good thing.

These days, everyone is a 'pro' simply because their software says so. Anything RED can do to ensure that their tools don't get 'dumbed down' because of the hands they find themselves in would be alright by me.
 
Professional equipment: Bulletproof. Consistent, day in, day out reliability and functionality under not only optimum, but extreme and adverse conditions. Time and torture tested.

Professional person: Expertise in, and consistent, reliable performance of one's job title under not only optimum, but extreme and adverse conditions. Time and torture tested on set. Come hell or high water (late actors and ringing cell phones), can always make their day. (See "Time and torture tested on set).

No excuses, just results.

Command of their craft which on a good day, elevates that craft to art.
 
The dichotomy is in the attitude of one person to another. On the one hand the 'professional' could argue that they are so because they get paid for what they do. The obvious example of a living. Jut because they can do a job, doesn't mean they are good at it.

In my mind you don't have to be being paid to be a professional at something. It is all about the attitude of the person doing it. That is why I think the noun is more pertinent than the adjective. Its what they do, and how they do it. Its how they treat their work and how they treat others.

A piece of kit is only considered a professional piece of kit if it is likely to be chosen by a professional person. It is designed to be the tool for a 'professional' in order to enable him/her to be able to accomplish what it is they need to do, with the least amount of problem.

Joel J. Feigenbaum said:
Command of their craft which on a good day, elevates that craft to art.
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So very beautifully put. The best answer yet.
 
Jeff Coatney said:
With all due respect, Ryan- this is exactly what I hope doesn't happen. Try telling someone who cares about recording a moment or stopping in time a subject that is important to them that they can't have the best tools they can afford.
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I don't follow what you're saying. What do you not want to happen? Be able to tell the difference between a Scarlet image and an HPX170 or 7D image?

That is all I'm pointing out. If Scarlet is all we hope it to be, then the images out of it will be as good or better than the high end "professional" digital cinema and broadcast cameras currently on the market at 5-10x the price.

If someone cannot afford a Scarlet, that is fine. I simply fully expect a Scarlet to look way better than whatever they're shooting on. That is what professional means to me. The best image out there. The people I aspire to work with and be like are not shooting on prosumer models. Their equipment is better and so is the visual quality of their work.
 
Professional:

We had a number of days of shooting on a large Discovery Channel special this year. We wanted to use our RED for most of it but we're told the camera isn't on their list on professional cameras and we absolutely could not use it. Same for our 5d. We ended up using the Varicam and EX1 for most of the days, and by the end there was some leniency for allowing use of the 5d when the shot called for it. The RED was never allowed and sat collecting dust. Bag on Discovery if you will (we think they're a great channel), but in this case, 'professional' was whatever the client had decided was professional to them, and no amount of pleading, A/B tests, reason mattered. Professional is relative.
 
Samual Murman said:
Professional:

We had a number of days of shooting on a large Discovery Channel special this year. We wanted to use our RED for most of it but we're told the camera isn't on their list on professional cameras and we absolutely could not use it. Same for our 5d. We ended up using the Varicam and EX1 for most of the days, and by the end there was some leniency for allowing use of the 5d when the shot called for it. The RED was never allowed and sat collecting dust. Bag on Discovery if you will (we think they're a great channel), but in this case, 'professional' was whatever the client had decided was professional to them, and no amount of pleading, A/B tests, reason mattered. Professional is relative.
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Red is now approved by Discovery. There are members of this forum who shoot Red for Discovery every day. 5D is NOT for GOOD REASON.
 
When did that change at Discovery happen? Has anybody ever seen an approved camera list that includes that RED? If so that's great news and about time? But I'd love to see the proof. We hit a brick wall.
 
Professional isn't just about the camera for me. It's about the backup and service.
With my Arri or Aaton camera, it doesn't matter where in the world i am ( within reason i.e South Pole ) , if something happens to that camera, i will find a service centre.

This is one of the worries i have with my RED's.
 
Being able to call and order a piece of gear or accessory and get it the next day. Having a reseller that accepts Purchase Orders would be ideal too.
 
Professional = Performs as stated and is reliable.
Professional = Service centers and equipment sales with prompt turn arounds.

The modular system will be Red’s greatest achievement if you guys can pull it off.
 
Jannard said:
We profess to make professional cameras. I'd love to hear your take on what exactly professional means to you.

Jim
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(1) Used by "professional" cinematographers in Hollywood and elsewhere - Red passes.
(2) Customer service - Red passes on average.
(3) Product availability - Red fails.
(4) Ability to gracefully accomplish project and engineering plans - Red fails.
(5) Peers and competition in the imaging world having a good impression of the engineering and technical aspects of Red's technology - Red is borderline. Going more south in the last year.
(6) Not giving silly excuses for not making up deadlines ("we don't know what we are doing", etc.) - Red fails.
(7) Having a decent website - Red fails.
(8) Having an impact in the scientific publication world - Red fails poorly.
(9) Software reliability and stability - Red is just below borderline as of my understanding which is a little outdated right now. May be Red has progressed in the last year or so.
(10) Creating jobs and a local presence - Red passes.
(11) Promoting a culture where employees are happy - Red passes, though, it appears the contributions from some key players are not highlighted properly.

Overall - Red passes borderline since (1), (2), and (3) are more important for the type of work Red is doing currently.

Joofa
 
In terms of gear:

Professional gear is created with feedback from the user base and there is usually a lot of communication between the user base and company. The gear is also durable and reliable under a lot of conditions and is generally more powerful than consumer models.

In terms of attitudes:
A professional is someone who knows their craft, who has a degree of humility and can act like someone who does have the above credentials.
 
Carsten Fenstermacher said:
Do you own a red to have experience with customer support?

Did you say that you work at another camera company?
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The great thing about customer support is two-fold, firstly RED themselves are bang on when it comes to help at ridiculous times and secondly the family of REDUSER's is global and no matter what time of day/night there is always people online for troubleshooting.
 
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