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Bad reactions to DSLR comments on Reduser

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Im embarrassed to use dslr.

The things are completely inoperable..

thats my opinion though..
can i make good looking images out of them? yeah.. I can make good looking images out of paper and a crayon too.

but they just arent suited for professional VIDEO shooting.
 
True, but until the Scarlet ships, DSLR's are the best that most can afford.
 
Shot a feature with the 7D, currently in post. Like you said Zakaree "great entry level camera for indie guys who want that cine look"

but at the end of the day it's not a cinema camera and you pay for it.
 
I think Jim posted some far more offensive statements against DSLRs than these. And of course he can say whatever he wants, but I partly didn't like this.
Some of my projects didn't have the budget to be shot on Red so I used my 5DII that I also own for photography. The music videos were on air at MTV Germany.
I wouldn't use the 5D for the big screen, but when the question is to, or not to shoot a project I will shoot. I think Jim and Red are accomplishing something really big that he really doesn't have to defend or explain by comparison
 
You can make them work when it is required.

I just shot a commercial for the Canon Rebel T2i. We shot it with the Rebel. You still need to light it. We still needed to get accessories so my focus puller could do his job. We needed boxes and cables to send a video image out to the client, agency, etc.

They are not built for professional production. The image quality is fine. Remarkably so for the price point of the camera.

I would still prefer to shoot with a RED.

Actually I'd prefer to shoot with film.

:-)

I think the HDSLR crowd just took advantage of an opportunity to jump on Jim's comment. It doesn't happen that often!
 
I really appreciate Vincent Laforet's viewpoint on all of this in his blog (last link). Very objective.

At the end of the day, the fanboys of either camp will never play nice.
 
I think both sides are being ridiculous! You use the camera that best fits what you need to do for that shot. Sometimes it's a red sometimes a dslr, Phillip bloom is doing some amazing things with dslrs you can't deny that but in the end both camps will continue fighting rather than working together to improve the industry....it's a shame
 
Shawn Booth said:
MOST do not need to buy cameras. Most should be renting anyway... Can't afford rentals? Perhaps the project isn't ready yet...
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That's a fairly short sighted comment - which I see all too often on REDUSER.

Many people don't have a particular "project" in mind when they buy a camera. Most people have an expectation of a certain amount of paying work or personal shooting that justifies the difference in their purchase price and the anticipated resale price. For a t2i at $800 new, one can typically expect to get $650 or $700 for the next couple months if they need to sell it or wish to upgrade and $450 or so even a year or more from now. (and typically within just a few days on a commodity product like the dSLRs). And the variable cost of using it is virtually zero. So it is an asset - not just an expense like renting.

And as far as shooting stock footage, spec projects, or even personal stuff most people couldn't justify spending $300 or $500 or $1000 a day for a RED rental. But if they own it they can readily take on those "projects" with little or no cost.

And I would suspect that is the economic rationale for at least half of the RED1 owners. The dSLRs are extremely good and cost-effective still cameras - with some pretty cool video functions as a side benefit - without the large potential financial downside of higher end cameras like the RED1. I'm a hardcore RED person already paid deposit on Stage 2 #206 - but IMHO for Redusers to ignore that reality is just kind of silly.
 
Jonathan Stevenson said:
I really appreciate Vincent Laforet's viewpoint on all of this in his blog (last link). Very objective. At the end of the day, the fanboys of either camp will never play nice.
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Well said..
 
Some people buy a camera to learn about cameras. Renting a camera is not feasible for me for that.

I have a 7D to get me ready to shoot on the Scarlet S35. I would have NEVER learned SO MUCH about aperatures, focal lengths, lens qualities, distortion (ultra wides) etc as I have been learning. No amount of reading would have EVER given me the education of actually using this equipment. And the best part, all this knowledge will transfer straight over when I start using the S35. For me that is win win.
 
Rick Burnett said:
Some people buy a camera to learn about cameras. Renting a camera is not feasible for me for that.

I have a 7D to get me ready to shoot on the Scarlet S35. I would have NEVER learned SO MUCH about aperatures, focal lengths, lens qualities, distortion (ultra wides) etc as I have been learning. No amount of reading would have EVER given me the education of actually using this equipment. And the best part, all this knowledge will transfer straight over when I start using the S35. For me that is win win.
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This is how I feel. I'd love to wait and save for a 2/3" fixed. In fact I probably would if I had a concrete release date as a goal. But I'm most likely going to be buying a GH1 next week. I know most people would say wait, but I really want one to work out my ideas and learn visual narrative on. I think it would really help me since I'm at film school (where we just happen to have a RED One btw).
 
Vladimir Cassel said:
This is how I feel. I'd love to wait and save for a 2/3" fixed. In fact I probably would if I had a concrete release date as a goal. But I'm most likely going to be buying a GH1 next week. I know most people would say wait, but I really want one to work out my ideas and learn visual narrative on. I think it would really help me since I'm at film school (where we just happen to have a RED One btw).
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It's true, some people are so polarized. I had someone tell me, if I couldn't afford to get a better camera then I should maybe just think about not shooting, maybe this isn't for me. I am a believer of practice makes perfect. I'm not perfect, by any far stretch, so this time while I am waiting I am shooting and learning. I know people with fixed lens cameras that are baffled at using an interchangeable lens system (on ANY type, whether 35mm adapter all the way up to a Red One) because they have one lens and that is all they know.

People are into capture moving images for different reasons, I think that is important to remember. Not everyone is shooting to release in a theatre, and not everyone is shooting to show their parents after dinner and before doing homework! :)
 
For people looking to work in the future, not as a hobby, buy anything, buy a Hi-8 Handycam and go shoot, practise is the most important thing, and cost is a factor for sure!

But I don't and won't ever like or recommend working with a DSLR for paid jobs with clients. I personally and I know I will get flak for this think that it is dishonest and damaging to the industry, its not democratization of the industry its the dumbing down of the industry to the point where someone with a T2i and no experience is pitching to producers. Thats wrong in my opinion.

Edit: All of the above refers to working with a DSLR as an A-Cam for all of your footage. Use it as a B-Cam or crash cam or tight spaces cam for sure!
 
Rick Burnett said:
It's true, some people are so polarized. I had someone tell me, if I couldn't afford to get a better camera then I should maybe just think about not shooting, maybe this isn't for me. I am a believer of practice makes perfect. I'm not perfect, by any far stretch, so this time while I am waiting I am shooting and learning. I know people with fixed lens cameras that are baffled at using an interchangeable lens system (on ANY type, whether 35mm adapter all the way up to a Red One) because they have one lens and that is all they know.

People are into capture moving images for different reasons, I think that is important to remember. Not everyone is shooting to release in a theatre, and not everyone is shooting to show their parents after dinner and before doing homework! :)
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Yeah, I guess I should prove I'm a competent filmmaker first before I justify spending a ton of money. It's just hard though because the Scarlet is really a beautiful camera and its modular structure is really unique. I'm a bit turned off by "frankensteining" a workable rig together around a DSLR. But if desire is there, what's to stop me from creating something that's holisticly great - that is judged on a whole and sum of its parts rather than just its image quality. We'll see!
 
Shawn Booth said:
MOST do not need to buy cameras. Most should be renting anyway... Can't afford rentals? Perhaps the project isn't ready yet...
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There are a host of reasons why rental is not always feasible. Location is one of them, this always seems to surprise LA-based filmmakers.

I happen to be based in a medium-sized metro area that has nearly zero rental options. It's a 2+ hr drive for a Red rental, all you can find locally are HVX200 camcorders and the like from independent shooters. I have to own my camera kit. And thankfully, the 5D MKII allows me to deliver quality HD images to my clients at a reasonable price.

It's so bad for rentals around here that MTV rented my 5D kit for some interviews when their Varicam package got lost on a flight. I only did it on the condition that I cam op, so they didn't have to deal with the pain of learning how to shoot with DSLRs. The client was pleased with the footage.
 
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