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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Workflow difference

Hi Rob,
I think Laguun has a point here, workflow or workaround when it
comes to Red and Post.
He's a concerned guy because any time soon he will have clients coming
into his facility with Red data looking to film out. He may not be the
only concerned Post guy out there, in or outside the US.
Redcine needs to be released NOW so it can be intergrated into existing
established post systems, or hold off on camera delivery.
I can tell you, if any completion person gets the idea for a second that Red
workflow is problematic in post, Red is dead on arrival for larger feature
film projects. This would be a pity given all the hard work you and the guys
at Red have already put in.
Things like changing platforms mid post from FCP/Apple to Scratch/PC via
bootcamp/magic duck would sound like a workaround to most people in
an established high end post business, or a completion insurance company.
Processing data on set in a truck would also raise questions about data management and data security and post houses would maybe decline responsibility for the overall finished image quality of a project.
This could be another completion problem.
Changing lens sets and image quality settings (windowed) when shooting off speed
would be another.
We raise these issues because we want Red to be a success on all levels.
To make these discussions personal or disregard concerns from professionals working in the industry seems to be any easy thing to do here at Reduser.net.
I'd hate to see this camera get a bad name in the established industry, for whatever reason. I want the best for Red.
All good things ,Mezmo
 
I don't think workarounds are really a problem and they are done all the time (especially to avoid particular bugs with particular systems).

But I think the issue here is that Redcine is not released / there isn't much information on it / not everyone understands the possible workflows (or the intended workflow).
 
Hi Rob,
I think Laguun has a point here, workflow or workaround when it
comes to Red and Post.
He's a concerned guy because any time soon he will have clients coming
into his facility with Red data looking to film out. He may not be the
only concerned Post guy out there, in or outside the US.

i am actually pitchin for 3 fullfeatures.
and the customers baicly came in and expected that they could edit in 4k rgb 12 bit redcode on FCP in realtime and then Di on scratch in realtime.
Illusions.
Not possible.

FCP is 2K 8bit max.
In redcodce:
Scratch is 1K realtime max, 2k its below 25.

Redcine needs to be released NOW so it can be intergrated into existing
established post systems, or hold off on camera delivery.
I can tell you, if any completion person gets the idea for a second that Red
workflow is problematic in post, Red is dead on arrival for larger feature
film projects. This would be a pity given all the hard work you and the guys
at Red have already put in.
agreed.

Things like changing platforms mid post from FCP/Apple to Scratch/PC via
bootcamp/magic duck would sound like a workaround to most people in
an established high end post business, or a completion insurance company.
Processing data on set in a truck would also raise questions about data management and data security and post houses would maybe decline responsibility for the overall finished image quality of a project.
This could be another completion problem.
I dont care if its osx or win.
i DO care if i loose working time of my employeed because they reboot 1=* times a day.
And i understand that my clients (directors/producers/dps) don´t accept why a mere change in editorial will -NOT- take minutes in 2007. therfore, i won´t have reboot from osx/scratch fcp/win or vice versa :)


this RED camera is awesome.
really -AWESOME-.

take this fromsomeone who owns, rents and likes arri 35mms and sony hdcams.

the workflow, well, its an illusion as of now.

i am talking full feature here.
20.000 takes.
1500 minutes.

mid-class.

not series.
series would be >3000 minutes - a week.
 
laguun: can we please stay constructive?

The only request I'm reading thus far is "release redcine" (which is imminent)

Laguun you mention request for 3 full features, but you don't give me any....
 
last I heard...

last I heard...

last I heard, Red Cine earliest release date will be end of Nov.07
 
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