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Wishing Redray was under $5k.

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Wayne Morellini

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Of course, I also wish that we got Redray Laser along with a shoot able fixed scarlet 4k together for $5k :-)

Just saying.
 
What makes you think the REDRAY player won't be $999?


It's had a $1K price tag since first announced in '08 or whenever that was. Sure, we'll have to wait for the official announcement later this month, but I'll be shocked if it's more than $1K USD. Now the "Pro" model that has been shown in the past is a different story, but we never got an official price or full specs on that one...
 
Yeah I dont think the standard consumer player will be over $1K-ish.
The Pro Player may also be integrated directly into the projector at this point but it would make sense to have a standalone pro server/player as well to further saturate the market.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
What makes you think the REDRAY player won't be $999?


It's had a $1K price tag since first announced in '08 or whenever that was. Sure, we'll have to wait for the official announcement later this month, but I'll be shocked if it's more than $1K USD. Now the "Pro" model that has been shown in the past is a different story, but we never got an official price or full specs on that one...
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I'm talking about the laser system, would not be funny if I was talking about the player. How they are going to compete with the $500 4k be replacement is another thing. The electronics companies might try to bluff it out with traditional intro pricing, but $500 upper is more realistic against Redray, with android (not just the underused BD-J). Then you quickly are looking at $200 players on the low end. 50mb/s+ h264 4k and 20mb/s+ H265 4k.

I'll have to change the headings to laser etc.
 
We'll see what happens with the projector too, I guess. I know what you're saying in terms of the lower cost consumer units. Then again, I'm not aware of any laser projection system out there that will offer what the RED system does, especially at a presumed $10K price point. I've been working with a client lately that has a field test unit of a 4K "wobulated" DLP projector. MSRP on that should be around $7500 on launch early next year. IMO, the picture it produces is terrible. It will have built-in "media apps", including Netflix, Roku, YouTube... Connectors for external storage to play local media library files and all that. Oddly enough, it limits that media to 1080p, so you can't create a 4K MP4 file and play it through the projector. It does take 4K (quad / Ultra HD) input via HDMI, but I don't know the specifics.

As for players, I'm aware of a few in the works now that will launch with 4K abilities at well under $500. Some under $200. They're a different breed though... In a few short years, 4K Roku will sell for $89... REDRAY player will have to keep step somehow or have the features to match the price. I also think we're going to see more of Roku's latest approach from other makers where they build the player into a small USB device and then the user connects that to their TV, Projector, AV system directly, rather than buying a separate box needing video and audio cable connectors.

The REDRAY player in the Projector is modular and upgradeable in RED style. The Projector can link multiple laser engines to feed larger venues. From a production and component point of view, I'm sure RED could make them super cheap. But they have also been working on this thing for a few years now and have tons of R&D and overhead / NRE to account for.
 
Seen the Roku projector, you must mean a player. People are so obsessed by stuff, they don't realise that 4k is so easy these days. They only need to consider what does fullhd and times by four often. It can be cheaper. If they back tracked to when fullhd came out on a refined system and applied 40% increase per 18 months (I don't know if they are still on the 40% power reduction per unit of performance curve with the doubling of performance every 18 months, that was an old figure). But it becomes evident that 4k cheap is here.

You know, I consider things I hold onto value for money. Henceforth, why I would like a 8k projector for the price.
 
I'm sure the $10K projector will be selling like hot cakes, are you kidding me? Built-in high-res player, 4K, true 4K in 3D for each eye, 100+ fps and laser light? That's ridiculous. Few years down the line when the competition wakes up to the reality of a Red threat (again, lol) they will be selling their own 4K players, screens and projectors way cheaper than in the early days, that's kinda obvious. All of what we've seen in the early years of digital cinema revolution led by Red army and the DSLR rebellion, we'll see again in a true 4K revolution all over the place from acquisition through the post to the delivery (huge and small movie theater screens, home entertainment and super hi-res but small mobile devices like 4K tablets). And I'm loving what's happening and what's still ahead of us.
 
Nikhil Kamkolkar said:
What could Christie's announcement do to all this?

http://www.studiodaily.com/2012/11/christie-bows-smaller-more-affordable-digital-cinema-projector/
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Well given their current systems cost over $100K to $150K now installed... I think their "budget" projector (which is only 2K btw) will be around $50K similar to Barco. (it does have a 4K upgrade path) as they also announced that all their existing projectors can be "upgraded to 4K

"lowest cost of ownership in its class" is not the same as lowest price in its class. its clever marketing speak.
 
I'm not sure exactly what Red has in store for us, but I'm hoping for this product...

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-105/

...but with a Red Ray decoder on board.

MSRP is around 1200. Probably about 1000$ in the new year. Limited number of vendors though.

If your not familiar with the Oppo line of DVD/BR players, they are fantastic.

Their newest product, the 105, will playback 4K and upres (I know, a dirty word) to four k.

Audio is the best in the business, Never overlook audio....
 
JD Holloway said:
If your not familiar with the Oppo line of DVD/BR players, they are fantastic.

Their newest product, the 105, will playback 4K and upres (I know, a dirty word) to four k.
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I'm not sure where you are getting your information from, but I just looked at the specs for this player and it doesn't seem to be capable to playing 4K content, just upscaling SD and HD content to 4K.
 
Nikesh Amin said:
I'm not sure where you are getting your information from, but I just looked at the specs for this player and it doesn't seem to be capable to playing 4K content, just upscaling SD and HD content to 4K.
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The 500$ 103 AND THE 1100$ 105 will both output 4k X 2k according to their site.

HDMI Video: 480i/480p/576i/576p/720p/1080i/1080p/1080p24/4Kx2K, 3D frame-packing 720p/1080p24.
The BDP-105 features user selectable video output resolutions, including 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p and 4K.
I'm not sure about codecs at this time. They usually cover their bases well. This unit will be able to stream too though not likely 4k.
Thats where redray should come in.
 
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