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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Wifi H.264 nov 03?

I really, really wish that module was shipping the 3rd!!!!!!!!!!!! I would trade one of the vehicles from my land rover collection for it!!!

(Thx for the pic, I have read everything I could find, but missed the fact there was a slide of the prototype/rendering)
 
The Teradek does this and has the ability to work on more than just the Epic. The differences are that it has no capacity to store the files locally, and relies on the ability to transmit the files via wi-fi. So you also need a computer to catch the files. One of the drawbacks of this, is I noticed some dropouts where the signal was lost for a few frames. This setup while wi-fi does work much better with line of sight. While as a whole the teradek transmitter and software do take some time to setup, it worked very well once it was setup. Used in conjunction with Light Iron's product "Live Play" you have an excellent automated playback system that streams off to an iPad right now.

The Teradek transmits the footage as a H.264 720p quicktime, which is copied to the host computer. This same machine runs the Live Play server which accesses and monitors the specified folder where the Teradek dumps to.

All very good products, and solid as a rock once up and running. The only real negative thing I could say is that the setup procedure on the teradek is not automated, and shares and permissions need to be set manually. Not the end of the world, but intimidating for someone that might not be used to doing it.

I can't wait to see Red's solution to this.
 
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Colin Hubick said:
The Teradek does this and has the ability to work on more than just the Epic. The differences are that it has no capacity to store the files locally, and relies on the ability to transmit the files via wi-fi. So you also need a computer to catch the files. One of the drawbacks of this, is I noticed some dropouts where the signal was lost for a few frames. This setup while wi-fi does work much better with line of sight. While as a whole the teradek transmitter and software do take some time to setup, it worked very well once it was setup. Used in conjunction with Light Iron's product "Live Play" you have an excellent automated playback system that streams off to an iPad right now.

The Teradek transmits the footage as a H.264 720p quicktime, which is copied to the host computer. This same machine runs the Live Play server which accesses and monitors the specified folder where the Teradek dumps to.

All very good products, and solid as a rock once up and running. The only real negative thing I could say is that the setup procedure on the teradek is not automated, and shares and permissions need to be set manually. Not the end of the world, but intimidating for someone that might not be used to doing it.

I can't wait to see Red's solution to this.
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Does it lagg bad on iphone/ Ipad and such?

Also another question, is the Teradek handeling the epic 25p not enbeded in 50i?

Think will wait for the epic Wifi, the looks and just the fact that there would still be a reason to keep atleast some of those memory cards around... :)
 
There is definite lag going to the iPhone or iPad, it used to be over 10 sec when using the HTTP Live streaming, but another method that uses RTP/RTSP which brings the lag down to around 1 sec. I feel that the lag is too much to use for pulling focus, but I think this things strength is in the recording and playback ability. You can however purchase a receiver module that has zero lag in the feed.

Not sure about the 25p, I'll try it. But when shooting 24p, the clips that are true 24p, not embedded in 60i
 
Colin Hubick said:
The Teradek does this and has the ability to work on more than just the Epic. The differences are that it has no capacity to store the files locally, and relies on the ability to transmit the files via wi-fi.
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There's also no way to power it, unless you're using bricks. It's a pretty cool device for sure, and "almost there," but the lag really restricts its use and the setup leaves a lot to be desired.

I think there is SO much opportunity for RED when it comes to the modules; we were discussing in another thread how they could make a hybrid between the H.264 module and the PIX 240 and make super streaming/proxy module and just own the market. Obviously they have a ridiculous amount of stuff going on over there, but we're crying out for some options that would really make life a lot easier (and not require a jerry rigged configuration of cables, support systems, and alternative power sources).
 
A prores recording module to CF or SSD that combines with h264 streaming like this would be an absolutley killer module every epic owner will buy.

If people really want the alexa like direct to proress workflow, you can offer that. Or just for editing without transcoding. (while keeping r3d options :)

So red pleeeease make this prores recording/h264 streaming combi-module, it will be a killer!!
 
That's different than a module, has hd sdi delay / sync issues (minor and tweakable), doesnt record slowmo, doesnt fit as nice on the camera,
It's great, but a SD Pix as a module with wifi streaming would be alot nicer :)
 
Max M. said:
A prores recording module to CF or SSD that combines with h264 streaming like this would be an absolutley killer module every epic owner will buy.

If people really want the alexa like direct to proress workflow, you can offer that. Or just for editing without transcoding. (while keeping r3d options :)
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I think you're very correct. Personally, I think there is a place for both direct to prores as well as using the files simply for offline editing (how I prefer to work). Unfortunately, I think Jim is so focused on "4K or nothing!" that he overlooks the inherent advantages 1080 files can bring to the table.

I also think they have no idea how many people would eat this up so fast and they're missing a huge opportunity by ignoring it. I called my Abel Cine rep about my PIX 240 order because I've been waiting awhile (paid for it a long time ago, too), and she informed me there are over 100 people in line in front of me and Sound Devices can't make them fast enough. Pretty much says it all right there.
 
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Häakon said:
There's also no way to power it, unless you're using bricks.
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Actually I use a battery pack that uses 5dmkii batteries and one battery powers this unit for nearly 3hrs. But I agree with you about setup and the lag.
 
There is no question that a module would be the absolute best configuration. No cables, no separate power, no hassle... flush, small, tough... People don't realize how different it will be once we get to break the camera down and re-build to taste in 60 seconds. It will be amazing once everything flows safely though those bad-ass module connectors.

If this module allowed ProRes 4:4:4 and (or) 4:2:2, it would be perfect. However, I wouldn't lose any sleep if ProRes recording came in the form of a separate module. I would actually prefer it that way! All I want is a healthy-bit-rate h.264 to CF and simultaneous (lower bit-rate perhaps) h.264 wireless streaming. (This guessing that they were both about 1.5 inches thick; added weight would be nominal.)

Whatever comes of this, it is bound to be a killer solution! We need this!

Björn Benckert said:
forgot the pic here is is..
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ah yes, I posted about this around two months ago: the promise of an encrypted 1080 wifi stream capability from Epic/Scarlet to iPhone/iPad. Thanks for reminding me of the rendering.

Of course, and I say this half-sarcastically and half-seriously, I am sure that within a month from release, the Chinese/Nigerian piracy rings will be trying to capture/crack the encrypted streams that will be eminating from LA area sets and, cutting and releasing their versions of Hollywood movies before they are in theaters.
 
Colin Hubick said:
Actually I use a battery pack that uses 5dmkii batteries and one battery powers this unit for nearly 3hrs. But I agree with you about setup and the lag.
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Sorry, I worded that poorly. There's no way to power it from the camera directly is what I meant.
 
We just fought the Teradek system for a week-long shoot with Epic... Not "seamless" at the moment. A module... now that would be be seamless. :)
 
A module like this would make the camera even more flexible to the lower budget type of shooting. Now sometimes i loose jobs to a F3 of even a 7D, because of the simple workflow and low data they produce. For really simple stuff some producers don't want r3d, big drives with a lot of data, rendering, etc... They just want a proress 422 1920x1080 file. So if that is something i can deliver directly from my epic, there never will be a reason to shoot something else anymore, period!

With a modeled like this you would wipe out all the lower end competition, and you can offer all kinds of shooting from one camera :)
 
Teradeck has been a pain in the ass. Half the time we had to switch to tethered hdsdi so the client could watch. Playback NEEDS to be simple and lag-free, or at least close. I've seen the Teradeck lag as much as 3 seconds or more. At times more like 5 or 6, and going to a Teradeck receiver out to an SDI monitor. Unacceptable. iPad was pretty good...when it worked...:banghead:
 
h.264 editing drwabacks.

h.264 editing drwabacks.

Is there any other format thane the h.264 that wokrs well on iphone pads, etc that does not "goop" the frames. The gooping of the format makes it hard to edit. Like the files from 7D or 5D lags if you cut in final cut or so because of the way the format is made with goop frames. So it would be great if there was a format lke proress or such that still was rocking on all the small screens, iphones etc.

is there such format?
 
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