Why not shoot 2k...digital cinema projectors.

[Patrick Tresch]

i know this is often used around here to cite reasons for higher resolution capture, but honestly its not really a particularly good example... I'm just pointing out that comparing that to the use of 35mm for television drama is not a particularly good or accurate comparison.

Even more that there was no file based post production and the scanner was a CCD at SD resolution.

A part from depth of fiel, color rendition due to other optics & grain I wonder If they would have seen a difference from 16mm...?

Pat

 

[Graeme Nattress]

Now, having said that, I'm not arguing about the virtues of higher resolution capture for lower resolution distribution. I'm just pointing out that comparing that to the use of 35mm for television drama is not a particularly good or accurate comparison.

Actually, your argument is very good - they used 35mm not because of it's higher resolution, but there were other qualities the format brought to the production. Similarly with 4k+ you get image quality benefits when you can't see the 4k+ resolution in the resolutions you can see. It's not quite analogous indeed, but... Of course, they're reaping the benefits of shooting 35mm today with the remastered Star Trek, and I just got the Space 1999 blu ray which looks lovely!

Graeme

 

[Björn Benckert]

Even when going to pal 4k is better than 2k... Sub sampling is king, having the ability to pan in scan, and capture more than your broadcast resolution is and has always been sought after..

Think of it like this:

Before TV commercials where shot on super 35mm film... why did they not shoot directly on Digibeta? because they wanted the higher bit depth of film and the extra resolution, even though they delivered on digibetas.

The same goes for cinema, it's just that the numbers have been upped a bit. So shoot High K deliver in 2k will be better than shooting in 2k delivered in 2k. downscaling in camera will not leave you the same options as getting the full load of the sensor and downscale in post to the wanted resolution.

 

[paulherrin]

besides the obvious downsampling, it can be very helpful to oversample for image stabilization, reframing, digital camera moves, vfx/color work, etc. all that being said, something captured at 2k is never going to be something captured at 4k+. you see theaters upgrading. 4k cometh.

if you're working on something you don't care about, shoot it on you're iphone. it'll look good. but if you're putting thousands of dollars and a lot of hard work into a creative project and you think it's something worth watching... put your best foot forward. even if you don't have the wisdom to think about the possibilities over the horizon, listen to the wisdom that's here and you'll be congratulating instead of kicking yourself down the road.

 

[M Most]

Actually, your argument is very good - they used 35mm not because of it's higher resolution, but there were other qualities the format brought to the production. Similarly with 4k+ you get image quality benefits when you can't see the 4k+ resolution in the resolutions you can see. It's not quite analogous indeed, but... Of course, they're reaping the benefits of shooting 35mm today with the remastered Star Trek, and I just got the Space 1999 blu ray which looks lovely!

Not to go off on a tangent, but................

Space 1999 was and remains one of my favorite shows, and without question my favorite "British show of the 60's/70's that wasn't named The Prisoner." To this day, I think it had some of the best designed and executed sets (not to mention miniatures) ever created for a television series. And although the basic premise was pretty preposterous, the first season (the Barry Morse season) had some really interesting writing and choices. Didn't much care for the second or third season (the Maya seasons), though. Even the theme music was better the first season.......



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WZW4groJro&feature=player_detailpage

 

[Graeme Nattress]

Not to go off on a tangent, but................

Space 1999 was and remains one of my favorite shows, and without question my favorite "British show of the 60's/70's that wasn't named The Prisoner." To this day, I think it had some of the best designed and executed sets (not to mention miniatures) ever created for a television series. And although the basic premise was pretty preposterous, the first season (the Barry Morse season) had some really interesting writing and choices. Didn't much care for the second or third season (the Maya seasons), though. Even the theme music was better the first season.......



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WZW4groJro&feature=player_detailpage

There was only 2 seasons of Space:1999 - indeed, the quality was weaker in S2, but it still had enjoyable moments and I did like the Maya character. The production design and models were indeed the best seen in a TV series though. The Network BluRay of the Prisoner is also excellent and it somewhat begins to make up for the previous lacklustre DVD releases.

Graeme