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Why isn't there a production premium CC plan?

Christoffer Glans

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I've been holding on upgrading to CC for a long time because I don't need the full master collection and I don't need cloud services.
What I do need is up to date versions of Premiere, After Effects, Photoshop and Audition. Adobe has stopped supporting CS6 so there are no updates to support Dragon playback or newer GPU's like the Titan X.

So why isn't there a plan focused on motion pictures? I don't need all those web designing applications or illustrator and paying for the individual softwares will cost a fortune per month.

Am I right to assume that Adobe is somewhat not giving a shit about those only focused on motion pictures? Or have they just forgot to release that plan?
What is holding them back really? It's been in the air for a very long time but Adobe seems to be the new company that won't listen to it's users.

Can someone explain to me why there's this humongous gap between single app plans and the full package plan?

A package that includes this would cover previous production premium customers like myself.

- Premiere
- After Effects
- Prelude
- Speedgrade
- Audition
- Photoshop

Then they could do a web focused plan with all those apps that I don't care about, many people don't even know about and that non of us need.
Why is it still like this?
 
When you say "huge gap" between the single app and full CC subscription can you describe what you're saying.

Prior to the Adobe Creative Cloud model I used for several years their "Production Premium Suite", which required a similarly-yet-more expensive priced upgrade each year as the applications were upgraded. For that reason, CC is making sense for me.

I just built a system today and installed "just what I need".

Though I'll say this. The pricing for new CS to CC subscribers is $30 a month. Right now CC is $50 a month. I do think there should be "some sort of thing" for long term users.
 
Just use resolve instead, you don't need cc
 
Brian Merlen said:
Just use resolve instead, you don't need cc
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Well, as much as I like Resolve, it's not a replacement for After Effects and Photoshop. I would argue that v11 is not a replacement for Premiere, either, but no question Resolve 12 will be a huge improvement.
 
William Robinette said:
CC is $50 a month.

That's about 20 minutes of billable edit time, a month.

Why is this an issue?
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I agree that I doubt adobe could drop the price enough on those six apps to make much difference (particularly since they probably REQUIRE more tweaks and upgrades than many of the other apps)- are they really going to make a package for $45 a month - to confuse things and save you $60 a year?

Marc Wielage said:
Well, as much as I like Resolve, it's not a replacement for After Effects and Photoshop. I would argue that v11 is not a replacement for Premiere, either, but no question Resolve 12 will be a huge improvement.
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So get fusion too. :wink5:

And do motion picture people really need much more out of photoshop than what was in CS6?
 
My point really boils down to that it should be a choice to upgrade. I've been able to use CS6 for everything up to the point of me getting a Titan X and now it's not supported so I need to upgrade. I don't see a reason to always keep the software up to date. Especially when working on feature films where the upgrades happen between projects so that you don't screw up the workflow established. Right now CS6 isn't costing me anything, I don't get a monthly bill so the time I'm not using it doesn't cost me anything.

People here seem to assume that everyone work 9-5 with Adobe products but I as well as many others I think, do not. It's a tool I use when I need it and between writing and shooting, to editing in Avid and grading in Resolve there's not enough time given to Adobe products to really justify $50 a month subscription. This is why I really dislike the forcing of getting the entire suite just to get a reasonable monthly fee.

Having a production premium CC makes total sense. To have a $30-35 package that's limited to what you use for motion pictures. Not everyone base their entire operation on just Adobe products and for me who do much more than just post production, it's not really an ideal situation to pay monthly for something I'm not always using. But I need to be able to use it when I need it, which could be in a moments notice.

The old argument were that "you can always just keep using CS6". Well, that's not the case anymore because Adobe stopped updating it and you can't load Dragon r3d's into Premiere. I need CC to be able to continue working with AE and Premiere, but I don't need anything else than the products I need for motion pictures and I cannot see a reason to pay for something that's never going to be used. -What a waste of investment money.

A production premium CC package around $30-35 makes much more sense. They could even split the master collection because I really don't see how the web focused professionals would use much of the motion picture apps. For them I think it's the other way around, why pay for after effects when I never use it? The production premium CS6 made sense and even it has a lot of apps that I never use.

I just need the basic Premiere, After Effects, Audition and Photoshop. That's it, nothing else, I don't want or need anything else. I don't need cloud services, collaboration tools, web designing apps etc. Why not just have a solution where the professional could add software and services on top of each other and the more added the more discount you get. If you choose everything you end up with the master collection price, but if you just choose those apps you still end up with a reasonable discount compared to getting them as single apps.

They could do this so much better to include every type of professional. It doesn't work for everyone and that's just it, CS6 worked for everyone, there was a solution for every type of professional. Now there's just some who love CC and a lot of others who don't.
 
You could just get CC on a month-to-month basis ($75 for one month) and not commit to a whole year. That way, you only pay for the months you need it. Maybe that would help?
 
It seems odd that $15 a month is a make or break point for anything in the production world.
Adobe has a target audience, and just like everything, that audience has changed with the production world.
If you look at the cost of the old production premium, $50 a month fits right in there with how much the entire production premium would cost, so in reality, your not out any money.
If premiere and After effects aren't worth $50 a month by themselves, then there are certainly better options for you out there... right?
I pretty much only use After effects, premiere and Photoshop. Once every couple months I'll break out Illustrator for something, but that's about it. I can't think of a more affordable tool for $50 a month than the current adobe offerings. I certainly pay more than that for my production equipment!
 
The bigger problem I see with the proposed model is that it would cause the current pricing to go up.
Here's why.
Currently you pay $50 a month for everything adobe has.
Most users will not use all or most of the adobe products.
In order to pay for all the R&D that goes into the 15 or so products adobe offers, the average user pays for the R&D for all products $50/month.
If we start introducing a teir system, then everything falls apart. Some products get used more than others. I guarantee Photoshop, Premiere, After effects and Illustrator are the top products.
If you offered pricing just for specidic products at a lower price, then the R&D dollors would go down overall, and the lesser used products would have to fall by the wayside, and trust me, I'm sure that would cause quite a stir from all those that use those products every day.
 
I have found that I use the web tools, Illustrator, Acrobat, etc. a lot more than I thought I ever would and was happy to find them there when needed. I recently did a nice sell sheet as part of the editorial services using still I extracted from the camera master, laid out in Adobe, etc.
 
FWIW, Titan X isn't supported on the latest CC release either. You have to manually add it to the config files and then it works, even in CS6. However, if you need support for raytracing in AE, then you do need to go to CC to get support for the Kepler and newer GPUs.

As for CC subscriptions, I've had too many issues with Adobe's monthly billing so I'll never do it that way again. So I buy the annual code from other online vendors like Amazon or B&H and it's cheaper that way too. So CC can be about $30/month if you look at it that way. It helps when you're maintaining several seats.

IMO, the only Adobe bundle that ever made sense was the Master Collection. Production Premium or Design Premium or any of those were always lacking one or two apps that crossed genres. At least for me. And when Adobe seems intent on charging $20/month for one app or $50/month for everything, I'm not expecting them to try and find middle ground with a bundle that won't fit too many. For enterprise users, we can distribute apps across multiple workstations and handle things differently. I wish Adobe would enable that functionality for smaller businesses. Their enterprise plan is awesome if you're the pre-viz department at Disney, but sucks for most small to medium sized studios, even if you have a couple dozen workstations and people using them, they don't discount or offer enterprise bundles for something that small.
 
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