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White Shark cull, Western Australia: Someone make a film about this please

Trevor. We managed to get a park spot and shot from the groyne as planned, I sent Peter ahead to get in among the throng handheld but I got stranded short of the stage area so had to let the sound run continuous for ambience only. There is apparently a recording being made from the PA audio. I haven't seen any of his crowd or performer's coverage. The shots from Cott groyne back onto the beach with the long lens looked nice.

A bit hard to see on the little monitor but I think the IRND1.8 was a good move. The Cott tearooms have a pleasing backlight off the beach sand. Peter seemed to have no problem with the exposures in what was a fairly hostile lighting circumstance and was able to keep the exposure within the "tramlines" as you folks call it. The sky held its blue whilst the darks in the seaweed had texture.


We were not able to get interviews with the speakers afterwards. They had apparently cleared out shortly after they concluded. It was always going to be a bonus. Interviews can be always done later.


Thank you Sam for the SSDs and the audio lead. Unfortunately I got stranded about 30m metres back with the sound gear. I could not leave the gear to go searching so had to roll it wild and free. Digital audio recorders are mavellous things. Just think what an unrealistic move that would have been with a Nagra and 20 minute tapes. There was also too much crowd noise for my deaf ears to hear the phone going off, so my apologies for that as well.



Thank you Peter for your Epic and your efforts.
 
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A protest on the beach, I like that. :-)
Impressive amount of citizens.
Saw this on FB today threw Ausie's friends,
don't want to derail the thread or being too political,
but it looks like you guy's, are living some massive change concerning biodiversity and its place in Autralian economy.
http://action.sumofus.org/a/tasmania-forests-abbott/3/2/
Will not comment more its not my businness.

Looking forward for some sound.
Best
B.
 
Bryce, looks like we have the same friends, your photo's are identical to the ones I took from Richard Watsons Facebook earlier today, though could not embed as i still can't figure that out.

Robert, sounds great. You're right interviews are easily and probably better done later down the track. I've had a volunteer to do sound for us also, could of been useful today. Only problem being its the same friend who has come down for the week to visit me in Esperance.
 
Trevor, if the photos are posted with an online service such as Flickr, grab the BB code and use the 'Insert Image' icon on the Reply menu above the text entry field.
 
Trevor Emmerson said:
Yeah I tried that but they were on Facebook and for some reason it didn't work
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Use http://www.photobucket.com create a profile, upload the pic and copy the IMG code. No need to click any insert icons here in Red User simply paste the code wherever you want for the image to appear. Job done.

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Trevor Emmerson said:
Bryce, looks like we have the same friends, your photo's are identical to the ones I took from Richard Watsons Facebook earlier today, though could not embed as i still can't figure that out.
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Hé hé hé...
Trevor, those photos are the one you did post, I did nothing else than using your links.
Anyway you can't see those pics if not loged in.
Edit: When talking about Ausie's friends I was refering to the petition concerning Forest in Tasmania.
I see alot of petition concerning environement in Australia passing those days.
Cheers
B.
 
@Trevor, nice color to Richards stills. Seems tropical.

6000 people, the photos make it look a lot more. The important thing about protests is not necessarily the number of people who turn up, but if the public agrees with one at the next election. So it is a good opportunity to make a good showing to the public. If it is really 80%, then the government might be lucky to survive the next election, even if the importance in the electorates mindset is 5 percent by the election. So the government will need to make a good representation to counteract. So good arguments are important to win people over and conclude things.
 
Trevor. I guess the next step is what happens to the footage and wild sound - there to from here. - Peter and his girl have an interest in that he shot it, the camera was his, the car was hers, he met the journey costs. I just chucked in some optics, filters, sound gear and bought the decadent Maccas afterwards. If we are able to get the mix desk recording, that will be encumbered by mechanical rights considerations if the documentary becomes a project for commercial reward. BBC Natural History Unit may be interested in some of the footage for a documentary they already have under way about sharks. If they use any, will it be on an exclusive basis? - That has implications later for any all-REDmedia documentary. - There is the Perth guy who is already putting together a more contained local documentary around the cull issue. - He likely has similar coverage as us but is interested in seeing what we came up with. 4K cut into P2 origination seems a bit like putting caviar on a cheese and vegemite sandwich.
 
robert, i have a very simple formula for anything i create, maybe it will help you think about this...
depending on your pov and purpose, you may find that one or another is more important to you, although the idea is for all three to work together

three keywords, makes a triangle

experience - story - impact

so, the question you have to ask yourself, as per mixing footage... will the content of the story have such an immediate impact in the real world that the virtual experience of it may be allowed to 'suffer' for a greater good. sure, it would be awesome if everything could always be technically perfect, but if somebody's got a shot of something important and it only exists on vhs tape, is it unusable? i think that's where creative problem solving kicks in to see if it's possible to actually enhance the experiential element... think chiaroscuro. or you can just throw it in there and be done with it. or you can just use your own footage and let him share his perspective alongside others, including your own.
 
Paul. - It is a little more fundamental. I basically put my hand up, collared Peter, his sweet assistant and his camera because as the clock ticked down, no one else seemed likely and the event would pass by, unrecorded except for shaky I-phones and SD/HD news media footage which is not conveniently accessible unless you are tied in with the network in some way. - That is pretty much the start and finish for me. - I can't transfer, view or edit RED origination myself as I lack the specialised equipment and computer horsepower. - My last post was about where it goes from here on, who does it and what comes back to the camera-owner/operator if any subsequent project changes from a social-advocacy freebie to commercial-for-reward. - I guess Trevor may be in a similar boat, advocating for the event to be committed to a high quality archive recording but not necessarily able to commit, being isolated down in Esperance but I can't speak for him. Beyond someone committing to an all-RED documentary project, the next step will be to make a copy and deposit it with the Battye Library here and maybe the Australian Film And Sound Archive or whatever it is called these days.
 
Hi Robert, I would say advise Peter to pursue those other opportunities. I appreciate greatly that you seized the moment and recorded the event for posterity, but I would feel uncomfortable putting my hand up to claim any kind of ownership or exclusivity to something I have not shot just because I started this thread. The point of the thread was simply to raise awareness in the hope to connect people in just this way, if the BBC and the other individual you mention are covering the subject thats great for the cause. If they can put the footage you got to use and possibly compensate for time spent then that's even better.

I am still in the process of assessing what I might be able to do, basically just scratching out some idea's. That may go further or it may bring me to the ultimate conclusion I went in with, that I just don't have the recourses to do anything. I may endeavour to put something together as proof of concept to try and attract interest from content creators and distributors with the hope to get to a project greenlit, in which case it could be a commercial thing. But until that point any access to yesterdays footage would have to be given with the understanding renumeration is no guarantee.
 
Marc personally I think dolphins are too smart for that, as the video shows they can debait a hook without issue. It'd be nice if they did the same over here and save people having to get in the water to do it. But if one did get hooked and drown, well that would be a new low. Though no doubt the Premier would unapologetically cite the fact that there are plenty of Dolphins in the sea, as there are sharks. Apparently.
 
Despite that, it will probably be the beginning of the end for the culling campaign.
 
It is human nature, to run an effective campaign one has to understand what is going on in peoples emotions, and our own. Attacking 'friendly' animals after pushing things through and refusing to discuss things, can trigger emotions even in supporters of the campaign. Problem is entrenchment, seeing environmentalists as the enemy, wrongly wasting or disrupting, before the cull issue even came up. Me, my personal philosophy is most everybody has something to contribute, even if not a lot. So it is often worth getting contributions in public opinion matters.
 
Colin Barnett, the state premier apparently lives down at Cott. It may be that this is personal for him in that he might like to have an early morning swim without fear of getting shortened by a foot or two. There was a big lose in our Kimberly Region over the James Price Point offshore gas project. The scheme was to have an on-shore processing facility. A deal was brokered with the Kimberly Land Council representing traditional owners. There then emerged a dissenting aboriginal landowner group which gained considerable support. Disruptive activities such as roadblock protests and counter-publicity campaigns eventually resulted in the business entity declaring that it would process with an offshore floating facility. Losing that onshore project, the jobs and revenue to be derived from having the facility onshore would have been a personal thing for our state leader. He has also been pushing for a new port north of Geraldton. That has become stalled. The shark cull may turn out to be a US-style management device to divert attention and energy from other contentious developments. The opposition party and monitory party elected representatives or aspirants have hitched their wagons to the anti-cull campaign. Whilst that may help in terms of getting the media people off their backsides and interested, it also serves to further solidify entrenchment of views. Despite the 6000 or so who mustered down at Cott last weekend, this will still be dismissed as the objections of a vocal "few" and the old "silent majority" case for the cull will be thrown up sooner or later. Discreetly, there may be guilty prayers being said for a leathery middle-aged activist on the Rotto swim to be taken with overwhelming force high up out of the water, all rent and bleeding like a seal pup, by the biggest great white in the southern hemisphere with the boat and helicopter cams holding perfect frame and focus.
 
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