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Which Scarlet will you order on Nov.3 2011?

I would buy a 2/3 Scarlet with interchangeable lenses.
 
I'd like to buy the 2/3 Scarlet Fixed for documentaries, hopefully with a future RED wide angle - and tele convertor

Amazing really what RED is offering filmmakers in terms of image quality and features, great times ahead!
 
interchangeable, please.

interchangeable, please.

i would really like the interchangeable, but don't know if that will be an option on day 1. but assuming it is, what accessories would be "necessary" day 1 options, other than the Canon mount in my case?

and should we really consider buying them now, if we aren't 100% positive on what day 1 scarlet is?

thanks
 
I'm hoping for S35. It would be interesting if somehow there would be a FF35 as well. Hey that could be one of the "surprises" right?

I've always wanted a VistaVision-ish sensor in a compact body, but I'll certainly be content with S35.

As for 2/3rds, I see the use and desire for them by the community and think it's viable, but for my own uses, it's just not what I'm after.

Scarlet could break real ground and be something very different compared to the rest of the market at any price point if there were selectable sensor sensor sizes or swap out sensor "brains". If there was something like a FF35 sensor and you could select a S35 crop mode that could be outstanding as well.

I think Red is looking at what Canon and Sony have been doing and the success they have been having. Affordable S35 (or 1.6x - close) and FF35 HDSLRs really pushed the market forward. This obviously isn't apples to apples, but we currently have a price point from sub $1k for a low end Canon HDSLR through about $19k for a fully outfitted Sony F3. That's a huge range, but the more professional range lands on the $3500-$19k landscape.

Knowing that, and knowing what Canon has done in the past I expect/imagine/theorize that their new cameras will be in the $8k-$10k range for their pro range camera, which would also still keep their more recent XF price points in tact.

Knowing that Red is full of forward thinking people who also have shot on Canon systems in the past, they likely have observed the same things. Now the interesting thing here are the unknowns about sensor size and specific features. However, Red will definitely be releasing a camera that shoots REDCODE, which currently none of the cameras on the market can do. Now, how much is that worth in a 2/3rds, S35, and FF35 system? I don't know exactly. I also don't know if Red wants to play the larger consumer market game either, but if there ever was a time, it would be now. Which is the reason I think that there have been lessons learned throughout Epic production and the reason I think we'll see more changes to what we thought Scarlet was and bring it into something that will stand up to next years cameras and perhaps dominate the market in terms of price/performance.

I do know that Canon currently is the only other "big dog" out there who could produce a new raw format and actually saturate the market within the next 6 months that software companies would have to support. Sony and Panasonic have already made their beds. I would be shocked if the sensor wasn't at least S35/1.6x-ish. CinemaDNG is also out there, but I totally think Canon would make their own thing.

All things aside (and apart from the wordy rant above) I would like to purchase a Red camera, and hopefully a Scarlet if it's what I'm after in terms of frame size. I've enjoyed working with the Red One and Epic a whole hell of a lot. I adore the power from the r3d the RedCineX post workflow. I like the founder's, employee's, and company's innovative mindset. These things I'm already a supporter of. But, I ain't selling off my Canon glass or anything (because we've been told there will be an EF mount for Scarlet btw), but I will say I've sold 3 DSLR bodies in the last few weeks to prepare for whatever "Thanksgiving Feast" I'll be eating in November.
 
Definitely the Scarlet 2/3" Fixed. And hoping for some good kit-options.
 
2/3 fixed lens kit for me, please! (Though a small part of that is my assumption that an S35 option lands squarely outside of my budget.)
 
LUIS ALBERTO CABRERA said:
Scarlet S35 interchangeable ...!
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How about a pony? :nonod:

Don't mean to pick on you personally, Luis, but this is exactly what I hate about these sorts of threads: yeah, everything is "subject to change," but to the best of my knowledge, there ain't no such animal.

If you want a RED camera with a Super-35 sized sensor and interchangeable lenses, buy a RED One, R1-MX, Epic-M or Epic-X ...
 
Erik Bien said:
How about a pony? :nonod:

Don't mean to pick on you personally, Luis, but this is exactly what I hate about these sorts of threads: yeah, everything is "subject to change," but to the best of my knowledge, there ain't no such animal.

If you want a RED camera with a Super-35 sized sensor and interchangeable lenses, buy a RED One, R1-MX, Epic-M or Epic-X ...
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My bet is that that RED's cheapest S35-or-larger-sensor camera for the next few years... is not going to cost $20K+.

Especially since they once planned two cams under $10K - the $7K S35 Scarlet and $9K FF35 Monstro Scarlet - coming out in 2009.

They have to be up to something!

It would be pretty sad if the closest thing to RED's two planned (and now canned?) cameras was something from Canon.

So yes, we do hold out hope!

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
Is there anybody that will do fictional work on any of the Scarlets (which ever Pony is released)?

Which of these alternatives would be best suited for narrative fiction?
 
As said by others, there is a benefit to both the 2/3 and s35 format. I really feel like alot of people that wanted the Scarlet wanted to have the 2/3 format. Alot of the newer comers seem to be really pushing for the S35. I honestly hope it stays relatively close to what it was in sensor size. As stated by others if you want S35 get an Epic.

Wouldn't that only increase the price of lenses too? I'm in favor of having the less costing mini primes, which could be history, or maybe not.
 
Hoping for a nice kit, with two smaller SSDs, 2 batteries, a 5 inch monitor, side handle and fixed is fine, but prefer swappable just for the freedom it offers. Hope the kit price is a discounted price since the camera will probably be fixed. (and for those that think there will magically be a bigger sensor; your right. Its called an Epic.

But for a good entry level camera, with parts that can be upgraded or moved eventually to an Epic, then I don't think you can go wrong.
 
Bruce Allen said:
Especially since they once planned two cams under $10K - the $7K S35 Scarlet and $9K FF35 Monstro Scarlet - coming out in 2009.
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Those are pre HDRx prices, and considering the EPIC-s had to be significantly upgraded to be able to handle HDRx we herd a rough estimate of 12-15k for one, now if that was a package or brain I'm not sure but it's definitely not 7k anymore.
 
Stephen Matthews said:
Those are pre HDRx prices, and considering the EPIC-s had to be significantly upgraded to be able to handle HDRx we herd a rough estimate of 12-15k for one, now if that was a package or brain I'm not sure but it's definitely not 7k anymore.
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I took it more as an indication of Jim's desire to release a large-sensor cam in the sub-$10K price range.

As for HDRx... the cost is not worth it to me. I still prefer the original idea of a $9K FF35 Monstro Sensor cam with 13 stops of real dynamic range instead. You wouldn't choose that too?

Also, we're in 2011. I'm sure chip-making costs are less now than what RED projected for 2009.

I'd think that RED should be able to boost their specs and cut prices a tiny bit - deliver a 48fps FF35 Monstro cam for $8K and crush the F3 / FS100 / AF100 market - and maybe Canon's Nov.3 stuff too. Make back the profit on SSDs, LCDs, cables, etc.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
Bruce Allen said:
As for HDRx... the cost is not worth it to me. I still prefer the original idea of a $9K FF35 Monstro Sensor cam with 13 stops of real dynamic range instead. You wouldn't choose that too?
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Ha, not that you were talking to me, but no. No I would not choose that over a model with HDRX, even at an increased cost to do so. I think that technology is absolutely amazing and am personally glad RED has indicated that all camera brain's moving forward will feature it.
 
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