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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Whats a good starter prosumer camcorder?

it will depend on the config you want..

concept?
yup
 
ChosenPredator;436739[url said:
http://digital.littlewhitelies.co.uk/bonus/easter-egg-2.html[/url] <--- JJ Abrams likes the interviewers 5D lol
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hey.. isn't the guy of knowing? :smash: :biggrin5:
 
Yes, Scarlet wins hands down, but it doesn't exist yet. And I doubt you'll be able to get one until next year. So it depends on your schedule. I say buy something good now, and use it to make $4000 to buy a Scarlet when it's available.
 
Brandon said:
Yes, Scarlet wins hands down, but it doesn't exist yet. And I doubt you'll be able to get one until next year. So it depends on your schedule. I say buy something good now, and use it to make $4000 to buy a Scarlet when it's available.
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And if the market circumstances won't make it possible? Will it still be good as paperweight?
 
ChosenPredator said:
Thanks everyone, sorry for not being to specific as I am not to sure what I want but the price range of the specific cams be suggested here are pretty good. 10k for EX3 Sony in Canada...I check out some test footage of it and it was pretty incredible but I also check out the 5D suggest above and I am surprised how crisp looking it is but i am guessing it's because all the focal points are close?

http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/contro...ductID=249&articleTypeID=225&WT.mc_id=C125910 <--this is the footage i am talking about

If anyone can show me some good test shots with the cameras suggest that would be very helpful :)
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If you can afford the EX3 and necessary cards and equipment then I say go for it. The CMOS sensor shouldnt really give you a problem and it beats the HVX series easily in terms of image quality. Plus you get the removable lens option...
 
I have worked with a EX1, EX3 and Panasonic HVX200, and I think the EX3 is the best choice, you can buy a Nikon lens adapter and it is a easy camera to use, and it is not very expensive.
 
Q + mo

Q + mo

There is a question thats been bugging me...
in terms of Prosumer cameras...
hows the 5D stack up against things like the Z1 and all...because I've heard that people have been 5D has been used by people to make some stunning videos...seen some...just wondering if it could substitute as a smaller,portable equally as good video device to my FX1...

Scarlet tho will definitely take the cake when it arrives, given July/August I think most should wait for to see if any news comes up then, cause I bet something will come up! (news wise)
 
Imran Farouk said:
hows the 5D stack up against things like the Z1 and all...because I've heard that people have been 5D has been used by people to make some stunning videos...seen some...just wondering if it could substitute as a smaller,portable equally as good video device to my FX1...
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I'd rather have the 5D than any HDV camera like the Z1. When comparing the 5D to DVCproHD cameras, I'm less sure which i'd choose.
 
Brandon said:
I'd rather have the 5D than any HDV camera like the Z1. When comparing the 5D to DVCproHD cameras, I'm less sure which i'd choose.
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I can't say I agree, your forgetting that HDV produces a really good quality picture for what your paying not to mention that the Z1 as well as the V1 etc are also capable of DVCAM and DV shooting.
When I rented a V1P to shoot 48 hours with I had to shoot DVCAM cause I was still using a powerbook G4 with final cut studio 5 however if where to shoot the project again today I would have shot 1080p HDV.

You should watch the video I posted.
 
CraigWB said:
I can't say I agree, your forgetting that HDV produces a really good quality picture for what your paying not to mention that the Z1 as well as the V1 etc are also capable of DVCAM and DV shooting.
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I personally will not shoot 4:1:1 colorspace if I have an alternative, which rules out HDV, thats just me.
 
Brandon said:
I personally will not shoot 4:1:1 colorspace if I have an alternative, which rules out HDV, thats just me.
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Thing is... thats just you, as you said.

There are just so many reasons why you might not want to use the 5D. And there are still so many benefits to shooting on tape. In the end, 4:1:1, 4:2:0 or 4:4:4 wont really matter if you dont get the footage shot. Unless greenscreen is your ultimate goal of course...
 
Plundstr said:
Thing is... thats just you, as you said.

There are just so many reasons why you might not want to use the 5D. And there are still so many benefits to shooting on tape. In the end, 4:1:1, 4:2:0 or 4:4:4 wont really matter if you dont get the footage shot. Unless greenscreen is your ultimate goal of course...
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Yep, these are all just our opinions on the OP's topic.

I will say though, that I and most others can usually tell the difference between 4:1:1 and 4:2:2 video just by watching it. It's not just a greenscreen thing.
 
Brandon said:
Yep, these are all just our opinions on the OP's topic.

I will say though, that I and most others can usually tell the difference between 4:1:1 and 4:2:2 video just by watching it. It's not just a greenscreen thing.
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Yes I know there is a difference, but for low budget productions (such as the one Im asuming the OP is on) color space in my mind comes a long way down the list of what makes the movie work. Also your average moviegoes isnt going to be saying "hey that color space looks funny" in the theater anyway... just my personal opinion.

Should probably mention I think the 5D footage does look amazing.
 
Plundstr said:
Yes I know there is a difference, but for low budget productions (such as the one Im asuming the OP is on) color space in my mind comes a long way down the list of what makes the movie work. Also your average moviegoes isnt going to be saying "hey that color space looks funny" in the theater anyway... just my personal opinion.

Should probably mention I think the 5D footage does look amazing.
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You're absolutely right, HDV is perfectly fine if thats all your budget can afford. I've seen really pretty HDV stuff. However, I believe he said earlier he was considering an EX3, which is fairly expensive at least in this conversation. In which case, I would say, again just for me, that would quickly rule out anything that shoots 4:1:1. I just don't like the way it looks personally.
 
Hi Imran, I am using 5d canon camera for creating videos. The canon 5D is the slightly larger body then canon 20D. The big full-frame viewfinder is a big asset to this camera. While not quite the 100% viewfinder found on the 1-Series Digital SLRs, the Canon EOS 5D's 96% viewfinder is very nice. Overall, the Canon EOS 5D's build quality is excellent. The rugged body is composed of a magnesium alloy and stainless steel chassis (including the optional BG-E4 Battery Grip).
 
ChosenPredator said:
Just curious what everyones opinion is because I think the red is out of my price range and I'm not sure if you have to buy different parts for it so it all adds up to being expensive for me.

I basically want to know what a good starter camcorder is if i wanted to make a short film and learn how to get better with the functions of a camcorder.


sorry if this sounds confusing
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I would recommend a used HVX200 camera or even a DVX100, both are good for the price you can get them for these days.
If you are aiming at selling your films to TV companies and the like be sure to check what quality they demand.
-Most broadcasters here in northern europe (don´t know about the area you are in though) prefers to have most of the footage shot on a 2/3 chip or better, this because of the compression they themselves put on the material being aired.
-So a HVX might be stretching it since it has a 1/3 chip, even though it has worked selling stuff to TV with that cam for me.

What I´m saying is; try to decide what you will use the cam for, if you just want to learn how to use one, then a DVX100 is more than enough and you can find those pretty cheap too.
If you are aiming at selling your productions, be sure to know what tech specs are expected from the majority of your customers.
 
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