Wave or Euphonix?

[Alexander Ibrahim]

All pro panels are expensive. I think the new Baselight 2 panel is something like $70k. They all expensive, because they usually handmade in very small quantities...

I'm not sure that this is an application where hand building the gear makes a difference.

I mean this is a system where you want regularity and precision, not hand craftsmanship.

I suppose we all should all be looking forward to 3D printing and FPGA arrays.

 

[M Most]

I'm a little confused by the DaVinci panels...

OK, I'm trying to be funny, but seriously ... why are these worth so much?

Because they promote colorist efficiency. Direct access to more functions means quicker and more frequent use of those functions, allowing a good colorist to do a more thorough job with more artistry in the same amount of time. Efficiency may not be that critical when you've got many days to do a DI or commercial work, but when youre turning around, say, a television series, you have to do a awful lot in a reasonably short period of time. Series producers don't want to hear that it would take too long to do some of the things they're asking for, and a more extensive panel tool set allows you to get to those things and control them quicker. Not to mention that the controls on those panels are generally a bit more precise, with a better feel. And in the case of DaVinci, there are software functions that are only exposed if you have their panels, and that includes such basic things as cueing by time code (something you really need when you're doing notes on a long form job with the client sitting there), applying the correction from either the previous shot or two shots back (a nice time saver when you're doing a back and forth dialogue scene), and perhaps most significantly of all, rippling values down the timeline. None of these things - all very familiar to 2K users - are available unless you're using the DaVinci panels.

I haven't even brought up the fader handle and some other things, but hopefully that provides a reasonable colorists perspective for you. As for cost, the cost of the panels can't really be judged in a competitive sense because the DaVinci panels not only provide all of the things I just described, bu they also just present a more "professional" image to the client. And some clients in major markets not only want that, but expect it. So the cost of the panel is just part of the cost of doing business, not a competitive choice. For individuals and small specialty shops, much of what I said doesn't really apply, which is probably why you asked the question. But for major facilities and major market clients, it's a bit of a different picture.

 

[Stivan Widick]

Is the MC Color panel compatible with REDCINE-X in Windows 64-bit? Thanks.

 

[Hillary Knox]

So, not to hijack the thread, but to you guys who have used the big-boy panels (Blackboard, DaVinci, Digital Vision, Pablo...) which do you like best & why?

 

[M Most]

So, not to hijack the thread, but to you guys who have used the big-boy panels (Blackboard, DaVinci, Digital Vision, Pablo...) which do you like best & why?

There's no real answer to that because each of the panels is specifically designed to work with the software it's sold with. If you like the software you probably like the panel and vice versa. So I really like the Blackboard whem I'm using a Baselight. And I really like the DaVinci 2K panels when I'm using a 2K.

I'm not so fond of the 2K panel when being used for Resolve, which is often the case in facilities that have migrated from the 2K to Resolve.

 

[Eric Santiago]

Well Im not happy with my MC Color at the moment.
I upgraded to Euphonix 2.6 yesterday and today I tried Resolve 8.01 beta.
Now Ive lost all connections to the MC from Resolve and RCX.
I tried rolling back to v 8 and still no go.
Im not sure if it was the beta or this 2.6 Euphonix update

Update: Shut everything down. Unplugged Control Surface.
Boot everything up. Attach CS.
All good with RCX. Not sure about Resolve 8 yet.

Update 2: Not recognized with Resolve 8 anymore

 

[Eric Santiago]

Ill start a new post to state that all is good.
I think I see a pattern in Euphonix where perm issues are the cause.
When I chose an option in the utility app, it asked for my admin passoword.
weird.

 

[jake blackstone]

Very seldom MC color doesn't connect to Resolve. I use a solution, that works for me every time.
1. Select in Preferences no panel, save, restart.
2. Start, select, MC panel, save, restart.
3. Start Resolve and all is good
Works every time.

 

[Eric Santiago]

Very seldom MC color doesn't connect to Resolve. I use a solution, that works for me every time.
1. Select in Preferences no panel, save, restart.
2. Start, select, MC panel, save, restart.
3. Start Resolve and all is good
Works every time.

And you mean restart as in restart the Utility right? Thanks Jake Ill try that

 

[Patrick O'Sullivan]

Does anyone know if the latest Resolve build supports the MC Transport?

 

[Dwaine Maggart]

No, it does not.

 

[ERIC PECK]

There's no real answer to that because each of the panels is specifically designed to work with the software it's sold with. If you like the software you probably like the panel and vice versa. So I really like the Blackboard whem I'm using a Baselight. And I really like the DaVinci 2K panels when I'm using a 2K.

I'm not so fond of the 2K panel when being used for Resolve, which is often the case in facilities that have migrated from the 2K to Resolve.

Wait, what? can you use a 2k panel on Resolve? how is that? I thought Resolve only worked with their newer (is it USB?) based panel. (and the Tangent, MC color, etc).

 

[M Most]

Wait, what? can you use a 2k panel on Resolve? how is that? I thought Resolve only worked with their newer (is it USB?) based panel. (and the Tangent, MC color, etc).

You can use the 2K panels, but it is only supported on Linux systems. DaVinci will supply you with a set of replacement key caps if you choose that option. A number of facilities who were invested in 2K's have gone that route, including Company 3, Level 3 Post, and a number of others. That's why you'll often see pictures of Stefan Sonnenfeld using what appears to be a 2K, but is in fact a Resolve. For some 2K trained users, the old panels are preferable to the new, in part because of familiarity, but also because of feel.