Voigtländer 35mm f 1.2 Nokton with IMS on RED

[Sanjin Jukic]

Voigtländer 35mm f 1.2 Nokton with IMS on RED.

Short:

The fastest still lens at 35mm focal length, not sharp like a Canon FD 50mm at wide open f 1.2 but is still very useful and acceptable for this particular focal length.

If you don't have Zeiss PL Superspeeds or even Master Primes for your RED this lens can still do a job.

Requires IMS with Leica-M mount on RED

Voigtländer 35mm f 1.2 Nokton, Leica-M mount.

Karlskirche & Karlsplatz in Vienna, Voigtländer 35mm f 1.2 Nokton with IMS on RED, 400 ASA, shutter speed 1/32., Color Space RED Space, OUT/LUT Red Space, no CC.

Karlskirche & Karlsplatz in Vienna, Voigtländer 35mm f 1.2 Nokton with IMS on RED, 400 ASA, shutter speed 1/32., Color Space RED Space, OUT/LUT Red Space, no CC.

Musikverein House in Vienna, Voigtländer 35mm f 1.2 Nokton with IMS on RED, 400 ASA, shutter speed 1/32., Color Space RED Space, OUT/LUT Red Space, no CC.

Have a look better at the 2K h264 file with link below,

BRAND NEW 2K VIDEO LINK>>>

All two shots were processed at 400 ASA.

 

[Andrew Benz]

Very Nice Sanjin.

So it is this lens: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/288040-REG/Voigtlander_45BA236B_Nokton_35mm_f_1_2_Aspherical.html

How do you like this lens compared to similar lenses in your kit that are more expensive? Your movie was very nice and I was surprised by that last shot. Thank you for showing the "other" possibilities...

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Hi Andrew,

Yes it is that lens at B&H link, Voigtländer 35mm f 1.2 Nokton.

This evening I did a short comparison test between Voigtländer 35mm f 1.2 Nokton, Canon FD 50mm f/1.2 and Leica Summilux-R 50mm f/1.4.

Short:

Of course that Leica was the sharpest, Canon FD to follow but Voigtländer 35mm f 1.2 Nokton can also do a job as I wrote before.

35 mm is still wider than 50 mm and f 1.2 is still 1/2 stop faster than f 1.4.

That's all what you would need if you cannot afford fast cine lenses at 35 mm focal length.

BTW, I did not try out Zeiss Super Speeds, Ultra Primes or even Master Primes and I'm just curious how they could compare with the fastest still lenses at wide open (of course on RED).

What I saw with Zeiss lenses here it was maximum at 1K resolution that I cannot judge in this resolution at all.

 

[David Wilson]

Sanjin,

Beautiful. I love making movies at night and you live in such a beautiful city to do that.

I realize that it is likely not the lens for all occasions but I find myself drawn to that particular softness that the Voigtländer exhibits.

Thanks again.

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

David,

you are right but 1/2 of stop can save a job even if it is a bit softer.

Also I'm not a lens specialist and will quote the professional Erwin Puts:

"Conclusion
The lens is a complex design with ten elements and three aspherical surfaces and from these
specifications we may infer that the image quality might be at least as good as the performance
we expect from more normal designs. The additional half stop to 1:1.2 and the wide angle of view
seem to impose such limits to the designers that the compromise they searched for is a bit elusive.
While very good 1.2 designs were made in the seventies in the 50mm focal length (see my Canon report),
the step to a 35mm focal length is, even today, a bridge too far. The Nokton 1.2/35mm Aspherical is a good
performer at smaller apertures, but at the wider apertures, it is just acceptable."

Erwin Puts - TAO of Leica>>>

Musikverein House in Vienna, Voigtländer 35mm f 1.2 Nokton with IMS on RED, 400 ASA, shutter speed 1/32., Color Space RED Space, OUT/LUT Red Space, no CC.

Musikverein House in Vienna, Canon FD 50 mm f1.2 at f/1.2 with IMS on RED, 400 ASA, shutter speed 1/32., Color Space RED Space, OUT/LUT Red Space, no CC.

Musikverein House in Vienna, Leica Summilux-R 50 mm f 1.4 wide open with IMS on RED, 400 ASA, shutter speed 1/32., Color Space RED Space, OUT/LUT Red Space, no CC.

 

[Jason Sinclair]

How is hand held like in these low light conditions? Can you try the 35 in a nightclub?

 

[Antoine Fabi]

Hi Sanjin,

If you have time, it would be very intersting to compare the Canon FD 50mm f1.2 and the Leica f1.4 both at f1.4 and 1.8

I never use the Canon FD 50mm (nor the 55mm f1.2) wide open at f1.2...too much glow in the highlights and too soft. Much better at f1.4

thanks

Antoine

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

How is hand held like in these low light conditions? Can you try the 35 in a nightclub?

Supernovafilms,

Clubbing RED effects coming after, maybe one soon, but now not to confirm.

Hi Sanjin,

If you have time, it would be very intersting to compare the Canon FD 50mm f1.2 and the Leica f1.4 both at f1.4 and 1.8

I never use the Canon FD 50mm (nor the 55mm f1.2) wide open at f1.2...too much glow in the highlights and too soft. Much better at f1.4

thanks

Antoine

Some more tests of Canon FD 50mm or 50mm FD L , Leica Summilux-R and Leica Summilux-M coming soon.

I do have a break in Paris for a week now.

Also was thinking to get RED in Paris but is too much work for a break.

Maybe to show you another graded 2K video with Voigtländer 35mm f 1.2 Nokton with IMS on RED.

Stay tuned.

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Here are gorgeous shots done using Voigtländer 35mm f 1.2 Nokton on IMS with RED.

Scaled at 2K and output in H264 using RED Alert..

BRAND NEW 2K VIDEO LINK>>>

MORE LIGHT, LESS NOISE>>STILL THE RULE NO.1 SHOOTING RED (B16).

 

[Tony Lorentzen]

Link not working, Sanjin.

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Sorry Tlorenzo,

Now it's working.

I wrote reply during upload of 297 MB 2K video test.

BRAND NEW 2K VIDEO>>> LINK>>>

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Leica Summilux-R 50mm f/1.4 is very sharp wide open and has excellent coating against any lens flare at the avilable light situations.

IMS on RED with Leica Summilux-R 50mm f/1.4.

 

[Pietro Impagliazzo]

How about that Noctilux, are you still getting it?

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Leica Noctilux 50mm f 1.0 test with IMS on RED is coming soon.

The timeframe is about this Fall/Winter.

Also could be earlier or even later.

Do not have more details now.

 

[A. Järvinen]

leica m-mount lensmount-to-sensor distance

leica m-mount lensmount-to-sensor distance

Is Leica m-mount used in rangefinder cameras with no mirror-assembly?
Since the lensmount-to-sensor distance for m-mount is 27,8 mm I'm surprised that m-lenses can be used with red one, even with the ims-adapter as the installation doesn't seem to require the whole pl-lens mount system to be removed.

Do m-lenses have more vignetting or corner softness than lenses designed to be used with reflex-cameras as the light rays hit the sensor in steeper angle? I've understood that this is a problem with digital (rangefinder) cameras, the microlenses on sensors don't like light rays that hits them in steep angles.

Best regards
A. Järvinen

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Is Leica m-mount used in rangefinder cameras with no mirror-assembly?
Since the lensmount-to-sensor distance for m-mount is 27,8 mm I'm surprised that m-lenses can be used with red one, even with the ims-adapter as the installation doesn't seem to require the whole pl-lens mount system to be removed.

Do m-lenses have more vignetting or corner softness than lenses designed to be used with reflex-cameras as the light rays hit the sensor in steeper angle? I've understood that this is a problem with digital (rangefinder) cameras, the microlenses on sensors don't like light rays that hits them in steep angles.

Best regards
A. Järvinen

LINK>>>

Sensor of Leica M8 is 27x18 mm.

Sensor of RED ONE Mysterium is 24.4x13.7 mm.

There is no any vinetting or similar.

Have look at the video or frame grabs shot with Voigtländer 35mm f 1.2 Nokton that is Leica-M mount lens with IMS on RED that you could find on this tread.

 

[Mick van Rossum NSC]

Is Leica m-mount used in rangefinder cameras with no mirror-assembly?
Since the lensmount-to-sensor distance for m-mount is 27,8 mm I'm surprised that m-lenses can be used with red one, even with the ims-adapter as the installation doesn't seem to require the whole pl-lens mount system to be removed.


Best regards
A. Järvinen

Yes , you have to remove the whole PL Mount system, that is why it is working , and the whole warranty debate which is stil not solved.....

 

[A. Järvinen]

Sensor of Leica M8 is 27x18 mm.

Sensor of RED ONE Mysterium is 24.4x13.7 mm.

There is no any vinetting or so and have at the video or picture shot with Voigtländer 35mm f 1.2 Nokton that is Leica-M mount lens with IMS on RED that you could find on this tread.

Ok, that's cool! Are there any 35mm motion picture film cameras that can use Leica M-lenses? Most of them propably have reflex mirrors which prevents using them. The fact that these lenses can be used for capturing moving images is not that little thing for some people.

 

[Johan Pabon]

IMS mount

IMS mount

Yes , you have to remove the whole PL Mount system, that is why it is working , and the whole warranty debate which is stil not solved.....

Expecting the Red I allready am collecting a nice set of lenses like Nikkors, the Peleng Fisheye and the Red 18-50 that I bought second hand.
Best option sofar is the IMS mount.
I know the warranty issue is not solved yet. It would be nice if we had some more information on what to expect. And secondly, what happens if I get a failure that has nothing to do with placing the IMS mount?

Nice pictures Sanjin! Nothing wrong with some softness here...

 

[Rami Mustakim]

Sanjin,

just to be sure that I understood this thing well...

If I remove the whole PL mount and install IMS system with Leica-M mount on my RED I'll be able to use all my Leica M lenses.

Is that right?

Thanks for your answer

Rami