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Vizio new 4k Reference Displays looks amazing!

reference looks impressive, but the Big story there is Vizio DROPS 3D entirely...
 
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Hopefully these will show up. Vizio announced 4K displays last year with their XVT Series and they ultimately never came to market. Too bad because the XVT701D 70" UHD looked excellent and was supposed to have an MSRP of $6500.

One thing about Vizio, their displays are looking really good over the last year. They have come a long way.

3D? What's that? Is that what those cheesy battery-powered glasses are for? My 75" Samsung came with 6 of those and I got 2 with my 55" 4K Samsung… All still in the shrink-wrap. The 3D novelty was fun for a bit with the kids. Actually my son wears glasses and he's always hated 3D because of the extra hassle. Just FYI, Vizio is not the only TV maker who will be dropping 3D entirely. Just wait and see.
 
Curiously, I'm interested in how widely adopted and "normalized" the "Dolby Vision" becomes in new TV's going forward. If this becomes the new norm you can now add another deliverable for generating a grade due to the drastic brightness difference between typical delivery and the new Dolby Vision.
 
Not sure how Dolby Vision is any different or better than the THX certified modes in Panasonic and Sharp TV's. Almost seems like it's more about brand labeling than anything else and how consistent is it really? THX certified mode on the 70" Sharp 4K visibly differs from one display to the next.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
Not sure how Dolby Vision is any different or better than the THX certified modes in Panasonic and Sharp TV's. Almost seems like it's more about brand labeling than anything else and how consistent is it really? THX certified mode on the 70" Sharp 4K visibly differs from one display to the next.
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THX conforms to the accepted standards, like Rec-709, where Dolby Vision sets Dolby's own invented standards, manly increased brightness from the standard 100 nits to 800 nits.
Just what we need, more confusion in the market place.
Imagine you grade it on Dolby Vision set up monitor and the producer then looks at the same grade on his computer. It ail look VERY dark and producer will be very unhappy. Yes, there will be need for different light levels deliverables, just like features are graded now for different light levels for DCI.
 
jake blackstone said:
THX conforms to the accepted standards, like Rec-709, where Dolby Vision sets Dolby's own invented standards, manly increased brightness from the standard 100 nits to 800 nits.
Just what we need, more confusion in the market place.
Imagine you grade it on Dolby Vision set up monitor and the producer then looks at the same grade on his computer. It ail look VERY dark and producer will be very unhappy. Yes, there will be need for different light levels deliverables, just like features are graded now for different light levels for DCI.
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Question is, will this become standard enough in the marketplace to warrant the new "Dolby" deliverable? Sounds like a challenge for Steve Shaw :-)
 
mikeburton said:
Question is, will this become standard enough in the marketplace to warrant the new "Dolby" deliverable? Sounds like a challenge for Steve Shaw :-)
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The problem is manufacturers don't care about standards. If it helps them to sell more units by making picture brighter (it does BTW) then they will do it in a heartbeat. Just look at the ever creeping cooling off of the standard picture on most TVs in the showroom from standard 6500 to now , what, 9600? As Dolby says, they performed tests and 800 nits was the light level preferred by majority of viewers. Who cares, that you need to squint, when sun appears on screen. It's all good, as long people can clearly see the brighter picture, they will vote with their wallets. It's music to the manufacturers ears. Just like 3D used to be…
 
jake blackstone said:
THX conforms to the accepted standards, like Rec-709, where Dolby Vision sets Dolby's own invented standards, manly increased brightness from the standard 100 nits to 800 nits.
Just what we need, more confusion in the market place.
Imagine you grade it on Dolby Vision set up monitor and the producer then looks at the same grade on his computer. It ail look VERY dark and producer will be very unhappy. Yes, there will be need for different light levels deliverables, just like features are graded now for different light levels for DCI.
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No doubt. It will be interesting to see how this is implemented into the way the customer will purchase content. Like Netflix offering 4K but with "Dolby Vision" version of the film. No question the more of these non-standard television formats that are adopted are going to really complicate the methods of which they are delivered via broadcast, on-demand, and set top box.
 
Glad to see such strong stand form literally every TV manufacturer in the 4k direction!!

As for 3D... Well, I guess I tried as hard as I could to support it, but it was at the end bound to fail with such miserable support at the back end and movie Theater owners "IDIOTS"!!

So, I am glad that I sold all my 3D gear, well almost, just put for sale my last piece of it, my 3D Fairburn Chart... And Adios 3D!!

now as far as 4K, if people think it will take forever, they have no idea what is really going on, and why some of the fellow Reduser such as myself are doing major UHD shooting for what is to come.

CES will end with some great prospects, but NAB will bring some even bigger surprises on the 4K front.
 
CES is about 2 things this year:

1 - 4K and increasing resolutions.

2 - Wearables. Lots of smart watches, wrist bands, glasses, connected jewelry, etc..


Other than that we have more general trends. Storage is broadly shifting toward PCIe interfaces and solid state while prices fall like crazy. The end of the spinning hard disk is nigh. We're also seeing a trend of larger TVs and displays, regardless of resolution. 28" is the new 24", 58" is the new 50", 75" is the new 60", etc..

A surprising push from display makers to incorporate HDMI 2.0 tier B and C right from the start for 10/12bit color and wide gamut support. New backlight techniques as display makers continue to shun full-array backlighting due to cost, but were seeing an industry-wide shift away from edge lighting, which is a good thing.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
Not sure how Dolby Vision is any different or better than the THX certified modes in Panasonic and Sharp TV's.
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Very different:

http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/6/5276934/dolby-vision-the-future-of-tv-is-really-really-bright

http://variety.com/2014/tv/news/dolby-vision-sharp-tcl-to-demo-hdr-at-ces-1200994284/

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/professional/technology/home-theater/dolby-vision.html


From Dolby's website:

Brighter Images
Dolby Vision offers up to 4,000 cd/m2 brightness, 40 times more than a conventional TV.

Dramatic Contrast
Local contrast reveals depth and detail that bring images magically to life.

Millions of Colors
An expanded color palette can display more of the colors that our eyes can see in nature.


I have the same problem Jake does: more confusion among studios, distributors, networks, and home video people on deliverables formats. Are there now going to be two different kinds of Blu-ray discs... Rec709 and Dolby Vision?
 
Sony has their own version of this too. Called X-Tended Dyanmic Range. *power guitar shred* 2x the brightness range or something like that. It's on their new high-end sets.
 
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