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Vintage zoom for a film- dilemma?

Luka Sanader

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Hello folks,

i am about to shoot feature, that is visually really specific and demanding. its a period film form the turn of the 19th to 20th century but also realty is distorted as we are placed in a world that is more remembrance and magic realism then grim realty of the times. visual style of the film is particular, with dominating atmospheres, strong sets, high contrast, big back lights, top practicals and so on....

Director just informed me that he wants to do zooms, as part of optical movemants, basically as only real camera movement, aside form correctives. this is really changing for me a i am not grate fan and user of zooms and on the other hand ist really interesting as its making me use some tools i would normally avoid. usually i use zooms only when i have to, on cranes or remount head or documentary. When i use them for sure am not zooming, so fare to say this is something new for me. For someone who is not fan of zooms i have worked with lot of them Angenieux 10x25, HP, HR, 17-102, Oprimo 10x, DP... and with Cookes 25-250, MkI and MK2, 20-100 and 18-100.

now starts my dilemma: if i would to shoot this on spherical primes, i would use Rehoused Speed Panchros Cooke's and or Ilumina35 Mk2. this would be my personal pick. It would be logical that use something similar. I have old Angenieux 25-250mm T3.9 from 1964 in like new condition fully serviced and good to go and as well Angenieux 25-250HR that i really dont like at all. it reminds me of Betacam SP zoom. On the other hand old 25-250mm has more charm but i would like something that is bit more capable for such a complex task. plan is to shoot around 5.6

my main candidates are:

Lomo 20-120mm
Canon K 35 25-120mm
Cooke 20-100mm

unfortunately i never paid to much attention how smooth actual zoom are and how that optical movement looks on this lenses.

any word of advice would be highly appreciated
THANKS
 
I've shot a feature using the Cooke Panchros you wanted to use and the Cooke 20-100, and they cut very nicely together.

So I'd defiantly go with the 20-100 Cooke, beautiful lens.
 
Man, please talk the director out of it. A period film with zoom lenses sounds like a very bad idea to me. That'd just snap me right out of the film if I had to watch such a thing.
 
Marc, i had a similar reaction in a start; however this is a film that is in grate way a "play" for a visual reference: its like Felini's Casanova or Greneway's baby form Macon... we will probably have rotating stages and "sets" stack up one on top of other where camera is going form scene to scene showing theater like realty. my gut feeling was to shoot entire film with a single 40mm lens
 
thanks everyone for pitching in. it looks like we are going for Panavision. we are going to shoot some tests in two weeks and see how we feel. thanks
 
Man, please talk the director out of it. A period film with zoom lenses sounds like a very bad idea to me. That'd just snap me right out of the film if I had to watch such a thing.

like Douglas said - Barry Lyndon. Kubrick used the 20-100 on some of his films.

 
We just used the K35 zooms to me they are the best looking zooms if you want some character. They also got a nice flip to go to macro and offcourse also cut well with the k35 primes even though the zoom is far more soft wide open.
 
Robino, thanks for the video. That Marta Ruggeri is really smart, i watched her analysis of the Rope before. :)
 
We just used the K35 zooms to me they are the best looking zooms if you want some character. They also got a nice flip to go to macro and offcourse also cut well with the k35 primes even though the zoom is far more soft wide open.

I was looking at K35 zoom as well. if i remember correctly Altman's Gosfort Park was entirely shot with that K35 zoom
 
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