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Underwater Scarlet / Gates Deep Epic Footage

On the Tokina, you had to be right next to those sharks, especially at 4k and no crop at 11mm!
Stunning to say the least. Loved it.

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Tom Taugher
 
Thanks Tom, yep at the wide end you really need the subject on the port. Hard to get but it looks good when you do.
 
Hi,

quick question. A friend has the gates ex1 housing and he really likes the look of this, and is now considering going scarlet etc.

One question he had is power, does the housing allow space for some kind of backplate and battery or is it red volt only ? I've looked on the gates site and cant find the answer.

Thanks.

Rich.
 
Richard Fuller said:
Hi,

quick question. A friend has the gates ex1 housing and he really likes the look of this, and is now considering going scarlet etc.

One question he had is power, does the housing allow space for some kind of backplate and battery or is it red volt only ? I've looked on the gates site and cant find the answer.

Thanks.

Rich.
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You can add large v-mount batteries....and works great for timelapse shooting.
 
Exactly as Johnny said, I am using it with Global media pro V-Locks, Gates provide the battery plate, mount and everything you need you just supply the camera, lens and battery. I think at this stage there manual doesn't confirm that the GMP batteries fit but I can confirm they do. I easily got two 1 hour dives with the camera on the whole time and fan was set to 100% and 75%. I have shot with Ex1's a lot underwater and the Scarlet kicks it's ass, the image looks flat when captured but shooting underwater in RAW is bloody amazing. I was considering getting an external prores recorder for quick turnaround jobs and was a little nervous about the workflow... not any more, PP 5.5 RedcineXPro it's easy fast and the benefits of 4k RAW are massive especially underwater.
 
Jon Shaw said:
. I was considering getting an external prores recorder for quick turnaround jobs and was a little nervous about the workflow... not any more, PP 5.5 RedcineXPro it's easy fast and the benefits of 4k RAW are massive especially underwater.
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I'm assuming you dumped that idea? because now with the external prores recording....we are getting even worse quality than say shooting an EX1...and i can confirm that (depending the recorder) it's not that great blown up....but again, flat prores image with no processing is just not a good way to go IMO...i'd much rather shoot an EX1 vs. going direct to external prores record device. You'll get much better picuture from the start with the EX1, Z1 or P2....or any of those cameras. Your of course WAY better off shooting RAW and taking time to work the images in a proper color monitoring realm--now here's where it becomes a BLACK ART or BLACK MAGIC---i know now how B.M got their name....I can go on about this end of things....but i'll keep it to that.
 
Exactly Johnny right, colour grading RAW is a black art I know this has just opened a whole new ball game in underwater grading for me and its big curve which I feel I am pretty low on at the moment.
 
Nice Jon, that worked out well!
 
Jon Shaw said:
Exactly Johnny right, colour grading RAW is a black art I know this has just opened a whole new ball game in underwater grading for me and its big curve which I feel I am pretty low on at the moment.
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Correct....Believe me...i can tell you that there are people at the top of this game that are still alluded by it all....it really is another art form and one which having at least a basic understanding and "basic" tools will dramatically change the outcome of your imaging. But to get into secondary color correction etc....requires skills that sometimes are just not possible given time they require to learn and invest in equipment.

Edit: here's a perfect example: my avatar and yours...i graded mine within REC 709 for television on a monitor to TV standars and not breaking any TV rules....and the difference on a computer monitor is dramatic when viewed in TV world....I'm also learning the hard way when it comes to what is "accepted" and what is not accepted....and it's cut and dry when submitting a show.
 
Johnny Friday said:
...i'd much rather shoot an EX1 vs. going direct to external prores record device. You'll get much better picuture from the start with the EX1, Z1 or P2....or any of those cameras. Your of course WAY better off shooting RAW and taking time to work the images in a proper color monitoring realm--now here's where it becomes a BLACK ART or BLACK MAGIC---i know now how B.M got their name....I can go on about this end of things....but i'll keep it to that.
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Are you kidding me? My 10-bit prores files from the Scarlet are 17.9 billion times better than anything I ever recorded from an EX or P2....and let's not even put a Z1 into that equation. The HDSDI 1080p output from a Scarlet/Epic is astonishing, and 10-bit ProRes is joy.

Great footage BTW Jon!
 
Matthew Scott said:
Are you kidding me? My 10-bit prores files from the Scarlet are 17.9 billion times better than anything I ever recorded from an EX or P2....and let's not even put a Z1 into that equation. The HDSDI 1080p output from a Scarlet/Epic is astonishing, and 10-bit ProRes is joy.

Great footage BTW Jon!
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I'd suggest you actually use a recorder and record out to say a pix 240 @ 422 and a flat raw look and then tell me otherwise....sure i probably exatureted a bit...but would shoot a 750 or 900 before EVER considering shooting my epic to an external device recording prores--which i've done on three occasions and there's no reason to shoot on epic or scarlet if you are just making prores files out of your sdi....makes no sense at all and makes the post process a pain.
 
Totally agree with Johnny, also when working with underwater footage trying to correct a flat image @422 is hard to make it look good.
 
I'll echo Mike, here - how fares our fair cameras in confined space with hot little sensors? Does the water temp keep the system cool? Also, what batteries can squeeze into the housing, Gates and Aquavideo? Are we restricted to REDVolts or possibly AB Dionic 90? And finally... have you experienced or heard of condensation being an issue?

Thanks!

Chris ~
 
Temperature is fine, I spent 10 hours in a 31 C (nearly 90F) pool shooting a TVC and the camera was running the whole time, it never overheated once. I have the fans set manually to 100% on standby and 75% on record no problems at all. With regards to batteries I am using GMP 160's and I get two and half hours run time. I haven't had a issue with condensation but best practice is try and close the housing in an aircon environment or at least cool and dry. PVC housings suffer much worse for fogging that Ali ones. Plus I think having the fan on in the camera helps solve the problem also.
 
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