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Underwater Bubble Blowin' Users Group

airsealand said:
Steven,

We will have a prototype splash-bag ready for CineGear in June. Aiming to ship them by mid-summer.
As for heating issues. On aluminum housings, the housing acts like a heat sink for the camera (on most designs). On our splash-bag, we have an inflater valve and a purge valve. With this, you can cycle air thru the system should over-heating become an issue. A bicycle tube inflater adapter on a SCUBA tank will be a nice assist. Cold packs will only introduce moisture into the bag (or any sealed enclosure ) when the outside temperature is different then what's inside. Nitrogen (when available) is your best bet for getting rid of moisture compensation.
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Very interesting. Thanks for the answer.
I also really like the integrated polarizer and filter holders (for ND). Look forward to seeing the final product!
 
Ocean Imaging said:
Thank you AquavideoRed206!!

I'm so tired of such negative statements on this forum, Tupperware? How rude. VHS camera? Aquatica dome, is there not anything that's good enough for you??
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I guess Tupperware could be viewed as an upgrade to the PVC sewage Pipe that Aquavideo promoted earlier :sarcasm:

If you are tired of negative comments, there is a simple solution: read only the positive once. Others may find negative comments useful.
 
Pawel Achtel said:
I sense some difficulty in answering a simple question and providing a frame grab. I was expecting a yes/no and an attachment instead of a slur of personal remarks and paragraphs of completely unrelated issues. I am not the subject here, the equipment is. I commented on the equipment and your personal and unrelated comments are simply unacceptable by professional standards.

For the record, your previous offensive postings that you referred to were removed by the Moderator. They weren't posted in this thread, they were posted in a separate thread, which I created and you discourteously hijacked. Seems like someone has short memory.

My comment about VHS-like quality (or lack therof) is well funded. It was also evident from the frame grabs that Mark posted and clearly showed that your optics may not resolve more than 1k underwater. I am yet to see any evidence to the contrary. Your response, apart from being abusive and personal, does not indicate otherwise.
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Pawel Achtel said:
I guess Tupperware could be viewed as an upgrade to the PVC sewage Pipe that Aquavideo promoted earlier :sarcasm:
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Pawel:

I would like to simply ignore you, but I make my living making housings and unfortunately as a semi-public forum it is easy for someone like yourself to take it in a negative direction and spread FUD. So I will try to correct some errors and possible misimpressions, and I wouldn't do it except that it also may be useful information for others. And then I will simply ignore your future posts.


Just because you challenge me doesn't obligate me to post a frame grab. I may or may not do that if and when I get the time to do some proper testing.

The "offensive postings" and thread removal I believe were removed because of YOUR comments and I believe I know more about this than you do.

Your VHS comment may be well funded (sic) but I don't think it is well founded. I'm not even sure what postings you are talking about or who Mark is, but if you are speaking of posts by Ken Corben then I think it would be from the footage shot with the 18-50 with either SN#8 or one of the city-named prototype cameras, which was known to have back focus issues; was known to NOT be properly positioned in the dome as it wasn't the intended lens; was processed by Ken in beta software and where he admitted he did not know the proper settings; and then output to a .jpg where we aren't even allowed to go over 1024 pixels wide and was posted NOT as a test evaluation shot but as a fun, "look we got the RED underwater, yay!!!" post.

First of all, no one has tested the 10-22 on the RED underwater because Erik at Birger is just now finishing the Canon EF smart mount that allows us to use it. The 10-22 may not be the perfect lens it may just be the best REALLY GOOD superwide angle for the S35 RED sensor currently available without spending ten times as much. The 14mm or some other future prime may provide better sharpness, and the elite user with big budgets can always use the Zeiss or Cooke cine lenses. And as far as I know, the PVC prototype housings that I built in 48 hours are the only ones that have allowed anyone to shoot RED underwater up until just a couple weeks ago when someone from Colorado built and tested an aluminum one (and we had a shooter testing our first aluminum one about that same time as well.) Up to now all of the footage has been shot with either the RED 18-50 or, on a couple of shoots, the Arri 8R and old Arri 12mm T2.1. The people that have been shooting tend to shoot for entities that own and take possession of the footage immediately so we don't get to see it here on REDUSER, and they are serious people that don't necessarily have the time and probably don't much care what Pawel Achtel, or Mike Hastings or anyone else here thinks of it anyway.

Second, reduser isn't a very good forum for this if for no other reason than the maximum pixel width allowed is 1024.

Third, underwater is a particularly difficult one to demonstrate because what kind of test chart is appropriate? What lenses? What F-stop? In surface photography there are all kinds of very familiar flat subjects, straight line subjects, etc so a flat chart with lines is somewhat appropriate. Underwater there are very few so a normal test chart doesn't make a lot of sense, particularly when anyone that has studied underwater optics at all knows that ALL dome ports create a curved virtual image so you will always have corners out of focus if you are center focused on a flat chart. With the wide angle lenses normally used this is handled very well as soon as the iris is stopped down a bit and with the sensitivity of the RED it will be easy to stop down to F8 - F11 which is typically the sweet spot of most lenses and with wide angles will provide extreme depth of field as well which will handle the curved field focus issue. CA is a related issue that is also helped by stopping down even a little. But in terms of testing a particular dome it is important to know where the lens is positioned in the dome. And of course none of that matters much when you are shooting a lumpy reef, or a diver, a dolphin, shark, angelfish, etc. where it is mostly center framed with water around it.

My point is that it is a complex issue and it is really only fair and useful if you do comprehensive COMPARISON testing with all of the available domes and various lenses. This is rarely done. I have done some in the past and may do more in the future. In truth, it would have to be done in a controlled environment, with trusted judges, or why would you believe me if I posted it anyway.

So why don't you set it up - get all the different domes, lenses, Fathom optics, 18" radius 12" domes, or whatever you like. We'll take them over to stuart cove's in the Bahamas - the capital of underwater movie making - and we'll test the cr*p out of them.

In the meantime, I have sold ten of these, 100% prepaid on foreign orders and 50% deposits on US orders with an average package price of over $12K with accessories, lights and such and will deliver 5 or six of these in the next few weeks, so will be plenty busy. They have made these purchases based on the evaluation that the ports I have chosen for the initial STOCK offering make sense given that they have been used to produce thousands of published photos using 35mm film and digital cameras with frame size/resolution 250% more than RED and basically are the same as those offered for many years by Pace and Hydroflex, and therefore should give excellent results in comparison to existing HD/Film motion picture systems. AND that the system already has readily available long macro ports as well. AND it is easy for them to see that the basic design allows easy upgrading as we (or others) develop even better solutions.

Feel free to respond, but I will not respond to yours in the future.

Happy to discuss ports or anything else with ANYone else, But would rather keep it on a generally positive tone.

Let's hear some more about the splash housing!!! I think I want one. (No domes needed!!!:biggrin:)

PS: ... and by the way the PVC is the fresh/potable water pipe, not the sewer pipe. Not that it makes any difference. I always have a laugh at those that sneer at PVC - after all aluminum is the 19th century material - PVC is 20th century. And it works just fine even though 9 of the 10 orders are for aluminum.
 
Aqua,

Your patience impresses me.

Your contributions here have been very helpful and much appreciated.

When the time comes for me to get a housing it will be from you and will likely be PVC...

Cheers,
p
 
Mike,

Count me in on the test at Stuart's if it should happen. I'm sure that everyone on this thread can benefit from whatever the results may be.

I'll keep this short, sounds like you have lot of work ahead of you.

Best,
 
Well spoken Mike, I would have simply called the guy a Twat, but thats just me!!

Looking forward to shooting RED and shaking down your product for my first time here with Johnny and Ken next month.

Best,
Mark.
P.S Just back from Botswana, what a place!!
 
CamDiver said:
Well spoken Mike, I would have simply called the guy a Twat, but thats just me!!
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I have made remarks about equipment and optics. Perhaps these were made based on extensive research, tests and (quite complex) calculations, not to mention thorough tests of other well respected professionals in underwater still photography.

I presented my opinions about equipment, namely the Aquatica dome, Canon 10-22 lens and Aquavideo housing. I have not made any derogative comments about any person here. If you disagree with my opinions and want to debate optics or any other equipment, which you appear to have no useful knowledge about, we can do so, but your obnoxious personal remarks and name calling are unacceptable in a public forum and will be dealt with accordingly.

Not that it matters, but I was filming professionally underwater when you were wearing nappies. I was one of the first in the world who filmed (with my own) HDCAM underwater (perhaps before Howard Hall). My camera housing alone (I have two of them) costs over $300k and the unique optical port costs about $30k a pop (I have five of them). Cost aside, to my knowledge it is the sharpest underwater glass under the sun and no one else, including PACE, Warner, IMAX, Howard Hall, Jacques Perrin, you name it, has anything close to this quality and refinement. There has been thousands of hours of quantitative comparisons and research to state this. You can disagree or call it all junk, if you like - I couldn't care less as your opinion is worthless to me, but personal remarks are in a different category altogether and won’t be tolerated here.
 
AquaVideoRed206 said:
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BTW: Pawel, I love your tag line: "I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it". I revel in my insanity as well so let's all just enjoy the insanity and good humor that bubble blowers are known for, and leave the snide stuff for another forum/thread. Thanks.
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Thanks Aquavideo, no problem here.
 
Hats off to you Pawel with regards to your accomplishments but your posts are very very unsavory. Comparing Mike's product to Sewage Piping?? Where do you get off with such statements? If you don't like a product fine but don't debase it with such statements.

I'll apologize for that remark but hey, you think it wasn't deserved??

Dive Safe
Mark.
 
Let's play nice, kids.

Pawel, don't report a post as being offensive after you instigate the comment. Not cool.

time to move on.
 
CamDiver said:
Hats off to you Pawel with regards to your accomplishments but your posts are very very unsavory. Comparing Mike's product to Sewage Piping??
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I stay corrected by Mike: it was a Drainage Pipe, not Sewage Pipe, my mistake :) Sincerely I thought it was a Sewage Pipe, I can't tell the difference.

Sorry, if you are spending tens of thousands of dollars on a single part machined from a solid block of titanium, the perspective is different. It is what it is, not that there is anything dramatically wrong with a Sewage Pipe for this application.
 
Anyone know if Sharkguy has a new webpage, or any contact info? I tried to access www.kennethcorben.com but got:

The requested resource
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is no longer available on this server and there is no forwarding address. Please remove all references to this resource.
 
He may be out of the country now - he's been working a lot, but we talk every few days because we are finishing up a housing. I doubt if he wants his info public but if you pm me I will try to call him and/or forward a message.

jbeale said:
Anyone know if Sharkguy has a new webpage, or any contact info? I tried to access www.kennethcorben.com but got:

The requested resource
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is no longer available on this server and there is no forwarding address. Please remove all references to this resource.
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I posted this in another section a couple days ago but this thread seems more appropriate.

At the Red user group meeting in Las Vegas I was fortunate enough to win a generous prize provided by Michael Hastings of AquaVideo. $800 toward the purchase or rental of an underwater housing. Unfortunately there’s not an ocean to be found in my land locked state. So with Michael’s blessing I am offering it to the red community for sale or trade.


If anyone is in the market to rent or buy one of these great housings. Make me an offer.
PM me.

thanks
Frank
 
AquaVideoRed206 said:
He may be out of the country now - he's been working a lot, but we talk every few days because we are finishing up a housing. I doubt if he wants his info public but if you pm me I will try to call him and/or forward a message.
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Thanks. The webpage he listed in his Reduser profile is offline; I didn't know if there was a replacement.

Reason I asked is that I have one of his underwater clips on my webpage. I just got an email from Norway asking me where to get an underwater housing for a Red. If you're selling one, I'll forward the info.
 
jbeale said:
Thanks. The webpage he listed in his Reduser profile is offline; I didn't know if there was a replacement.

Reason I asked is that I have one of his underwater clips on my webpage. I just got an email from Norway asking me where to get an underwater housing for a Red. If you're selling one, I'll forward the info.
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Sharky is up in Alaska shooting aerials with his REDs.

Here's an earlier post with some photos:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?p=204043#post204043

I am definitely selling them. We are in the process of finishing 3 next week and 5-6 more in the next few weeks as customers get the Birger mount. Current delivery schedule would be about 4 -5 weeks after receipt of order. Maybe faster depending on need/circumstances.

PM me for current pricing and details.

Videodisc said:
I posted this in another section a couple days ago but this thread seems more appropriate.

At the Red user group meeting in Las Vegas I was fortunate enough to win a generous prize provided by Michael Hastings of AquaVideo. $800 toward the purchase or rental of an underwater housing. Unfortunately there’s not an ocean to be found in my land locked state. So with Michael’s blessing I am offering it to the red community for sale or trade.


If anyone is in the market to rent or buy one of these great housings. Make me an offer.
PM me.

thanks
Frank
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Just to confirm that this is legit. In support of the REDUSER NAB we provided an $800 gift certificate for the raffle toward rentals or purchase of the RED underwater housing. So whatever deal you make with Frank, you still get $800 credit with AquaVideo.
 
JBeale:

I believe you got a question from Norway about someone looking for an underwater housing?

Well, I will be going over to Florida next week to pick up my new AquaVideo housing and RED One, so that will be the first of it's kind in Norway.

Unfortunately I will be filming around Florida, Puerto Rico and Bonaire for the next three weeks or so :) but by late May I will be back and operative in Scandinavia.

regards,
Amund
Oslo, Norway
 
Hello to all!

New to the site and eager to learn more from the experiences within. Sounds like new depths are being charted daily.

AquaVideo, I may be interested in renting one of your housings and it looks like your webpage may be down. Any way to reach you?
 
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