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Ultra High Frame Rate Brain

LocaRed in Paris could also definitely be in the game for getting a few $45k camera that can do 3k 500fps. Great idea Mark.

This thread is going to end up as a group purchase one more time, except this time we do it even before the product exists. Wonder why we love Red...

Now can we start talking about what kind of car we would like to buy from you in two years? (no need to mention the color).
 
This is a good idea. It would be great to have a super high speed integrate easily on set and in post with an Epic shoot.

I'm starting to see real benefits in this modular camera system.

Sweet video Bruce, BTW. Christians other work ( at least the Pop Levi clip ) is really cool too.

Matt Uhry
www.mattuhry.com
 
Jim, it definitely feels weird asking for more after we have just had our minds blown on the 13th, but I agree 100% with Mark.

Modular now seems so logical and renting a whole Phantom system seems archaic when you could swap in a slow mo EPIC brain instead. I know you guys said you would rather leave specialty features to other companies but no one else is offering anything close to the convenience of the brain system!

I would definitely buy a couple of these.
 
Hi.

Generally a read-only kinda guy as I'm way out of my league on this stuff, but I registered to keep an eye on the high speed development.

I'm nowhere near a cinema videographer - a little home videocam level throwing things together on the consumer/prosumer level...
Which news of Scarlet brought me over here in the first place, kinda hoping it might turn out to be a super-HD prosumer camcorder. Looks like it's going to be way out of the user-friendly market there after all, but the hints that it might be high speed at those resolutions kinda made me notice for another purpose. For the work end of things, I've got an Olympus i-speed camera to capture firearm events: If RED ever did something that could capture high speed clips in non-grainy, rich color, and high definition, that would be something I'd be in line for.

Just thought I'd pop in to mention to those that listen that the high speed video market (Phantom, i-speed, etc) would go nuts over something like this.

KW
 
The Phantom is a great camera that does specialized work. I don't see us replacing what they do in the near future. If our frame rates continue to climb at a normal pace, someday we might provide an option. But I also don't imagine Vision Research staying where they are going forward. There will never be one company that offers every solution. Actually, there will never be 3 companies that cover all the bases. I just hope that RED can continue to be one of many companies that helps people realize their dreams.

Jim
 
I absolutely LOVE shooting with the phantom
It always looks so magical and expensive!

Never really expected RED to pull out something in this range of fps...

It could simplify some of the operational and workflow issues that go along with shooting Phantom but...

A Director I've shot Phantom with a number of times says: "High speed is like crack, at first, a thousand frames a second feels great...but then you need more, more, more like 1500-3000":usd:
 
Jannard said:
I just hope that RED can continue to be one of many companies that helps people realize their dreams.

Jim
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Not to try to placate you, but if you keep going with this direction, you will definitely be doing this for me. I have been on cloud 9 since the 13th, and haven't come off of it since. Thank you so much! :}
 
Certainly a high speed Epic is possible, but it necessitates a lot of technology that is not currently in the design (or at least that I assume is in the design). It's not in there because RED has optimised the design for something else. If you make a camera capable of the sort of frame rates and resolutions we're talking about, you're essentially talking about creating a completely new camera. Not saying that RED couldn't do it; given their track record the smart answer is certainly they can. But it is a LOT of work and they have chosen to push in a different direction, and smartly so I'd say.

Listen, what you're really asking here is for Jim to make a less-expensive Phantom. Not really to innovate, just to make it cheaper. RED has not particularly worked by making less expensive versions of other companies' products; RED tries to turn the industry on its ear by releasing something revolutionary and different. Cheaper ain't a revolution, it's just cheaper.

Given time, I'm sure RED will get you what you want. And I'm sure Vision Research and perhaps others will have moved that bar forward. And so it goes.

Mark baby, time to reserve your Phantom!
 
Well....if 3D is there couldn't you sync two cameras and set them up so they capture the same frame while alternating frames....so 100fps with one could go to 200fps with two with the right setup. Am I making sense?
 
It's possible but only with very specific frame sync pulses beyond standard genlock. For instance the Phantom has sync pulses not only for the start of each frame but a separate signal noting the duration, both very important for such a system. You'd also need a 3D rig that could allow a zero degree convergence, meaning a half/silvered mirror rig where the two cameras were identically aligned. This of course would also eat another stop of light.

Again, all not impossible with RED, but functions not currently available on the RED One so perhaps not envisioned for the EPIC.
 
Mitch Gross said:
It's possible but only with very specific frame sync pulses beyond standard genlock. For instance the Phantom has sync pulses not only for the start of each frame but a separate signal noting the duration, both very important for such a system. You'd also need a 3D rig that could allow a zero degree convergence, meaning a half/silvered mirror rig where the two cameras were identically aligned. This of course would also eat another stop of light.

Again, all not impossible with RED, but functions not currently available on the RED One so perhaps not envisioned for the EPIC.
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They are now... :-)

Jim
 
Jannard said:
I just hope that RED can continue to be one of many companies that helps people realize their dreams.

Jim
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as many people as possible my friend JJ.. for this quote you receive capital letters.. :love:
 
Go for it, Jim. I remember when I first proposed the idea of using a 3D rig to double a Phantom's speed using two cameras and the mechanical answer to what was perceived as an electronic limitation registered somewhat stunned reactions. I think one person commented, "well that's lateral thinking."

But just because something can be done doesn't mean many people are ever going to do it. I know a few clients have considered the suggestion but I don't know if anyone ever actually used it on a job. It makes for quite the post nightmare as all the files have to be zippered into a single sequence.
 
red for masses as much as ever.. instead an elitist company would rock more than ever!
 
Since this discussion is about high speed, I thought I'd bring up something that's been discussed here before regarding overcranking for miniature work; does anyone remember what the equation is to calculate fps based on the scale of the miniature?

And, I wonder what kind of scale we'd be talking for say, 500-1000fps miniature work?
 
If you go with modular design as a system concept, with different brains for different functions, then a high speed version is inevitable. Come on Jim, it is a no brainer, you guys can and should do it.
Aloha
-A
 
I think they should do it and I know that eventually we will see 1000fps from a RED camera. Whether it gets done via a high-speed brain or the continuous evolution of their sensors and underlying electronics to boost those frame rates, remains to be seen.

I like this thread because it does show that there is a real market for such a product. But I understand where Jim is coming from. It's also pretty obvious after the 11/13 announcements, that the plates are pretty full over at RED these days.
 
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