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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Ultra High Frame Rate Brain

I agree Jeff. I'm way happy with the specs, modularity, and flexibility of the new DSMC line - both Epic and Scarlet. What RED has announced is fantastic IMO - and yes, as usual they have a ton on their development plate.

I have no doubt higher frame rate REDs will appear sometime in the future - how far into the future, and how high FPS will remain to be seen. There is obviously a market for high FPS work, in commercials, EFX, television, stock footage, and some feature specialty shots.

In my own work genres slo-mos are a staple of the productions - sports, nature, etc. 100 fps in 5k or 6k, played back on a 24 fps timeline, is going to look stunning. 200 fps is probably the upper limit for most slo-mos in the genres I work in. Higher than that gets into the useful zone for certain commercials, specialty TV programs ("Timewarp" on Discovery Channel), certain VFX, scientific uses, etc.

I'm way happy with the currently announced specs for Epic and Scarlet, and if optimization brings higher fps, then thats frosting on the cake. If RED at some point created an ultra high fps upgrade option I would also take a hard look at that - if I could have enough use for it. If not, I'd simply rent it when I needed it.

I've been a vocal proponent of high frame rates on RED products ever since RED was announced in 2005, so this request for high frame rates is nothing new to me - been down that road for a long time.
 
A highspeed brain would be killer.
I also think 500fps at 3K could be possible in the near future and would be
the next usefull step.
I'm sure that the "RED3" generation (in 4years) will probably do 500fps in 4-6K. But now we dont have such an option.
A special brain would be the answer.
The new modular system is great for that. Soon all RED users will know the workflow and bodies and we wont have to change camerasystems on set.
Would be super great.

Go guys, you can do it, we know it...

Tim
 
1000fps no less is what's needed, even 2000fps would be great, and I agree what we need is crystal clear 1080p, I think that would be shooting at 3k correct for a pixel perfect 1080p donwsize?

I have shot at 2000fps and 1kfps, both VERY cool
 
Jannard said:
They are now... :-)

Jim
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Awesome. The idea of using an S35 Scarlet brain for day to day, and renting a high-speed Epic brain (that still works with all the same accessories in the Scarlet system) is phenomenal. Just swap brains, shoot hi-speed, swap back. BOOM! :w00t:

Of course, this hi-speed Epic brain is a specialty item, and should be priced accordingly. The real savings come from not needing other accessories to make the rental work with your current system!
 
I would say a brain that can do 4K up to 250fps, 3K up to 500fps, 2K up to 1000fps would be awesome! Much rather use a RED than a Phantom:-D
 
Having used digital slo mo cams since there inception I've learnt that key frame rates exist for particular genres.
In general one has to double the frame rate to make a discernable difference
50,100,200,500,1000,2000,4000fps

A lot of very cool action can be captured at +2000, ie a bigger close-up of an particular explosive action can be screened if you double the frame rate.

But the issue of needing significant amounts of light means that around 1000 fps is the available light limit for docs.

Maybe RED could bring to the party a large format high speed sensor with extra large pixels creating a very high iso?
This camera could also double up as a low light brian?

There is an amazing world of low light colour imagery and super slow motion that we are only beginning to explore.


Mike Brennan
 
Mike makes a very good point...

Once you step out the world of common human action his formula is a good rule of thumb.

I've watched inexperience directors not get this on film shoots a number of times. Rushes viewing not a pleasant experience for them (funny in a told-you-so-way for me)

regards

Michael
 
Circle gets the square.

This would be great. Now thats easy for me to say sitting here in my chair. The RED teams chair is much less comfy.

But yes (my humble take on it would be) take a EPIC FF35 or 675 size chip, make it a 4k or 5k chip with big photosites to make it more sensitive and end up with 3k 500fps, 2k 1000fps at maybe a clean 640asa. The simple brain swap would be great. Vision Research is a high speed monster. THey are going to stay the high speed monster. As Mitch, Deanan and Jim have stated you give things up to get other things. I am happy with the direction RED has gone with their cameras and sensors, and happy with where the Phantom is as well. I personally am comfortable with the RED cameras, more so than a Phantom (if there was some free Phantom training, maybe my comfort level would change. Mitch I am looking at you.) so a brain swap would be ideal for basic applications.
 
Having seen the Phantom at work, it's an incredible machine that takes beautiful pictures. But I could see a lot of appeal in a high-speed brain, that could be simply switched in with a regular brain for specialised work. I'd never buy one myself, but I can certainly see myself renting one for specific shots on a regular basis.

The main advantage of it would be (assuming you're shooting with Red cameras in the first place) that you'd be dealing with the same RedCode format, which would certain help streamline the post-processing of high-speed shots in with the rest of your footage.
 
The best of the best redusers are all here with a suggestion... It's a sure bet.
 
If it hasn't been mentioned yet I'll throw my request in...

It would be great if there was an affordable 1000fps camera out there that recorded to digital mags (like REDDRIVES) that could be swapped between takes instead of waiting six minutes or so for downloading. Directors and producers simply don't comprehend this time when warned beforehand and tear their hair out during the shoot - that they scheduled as if for a traditional 24fps shoot!

I known the Phantom apparently has such a facility though they cost a fair bit that, for budgetary reasons, restricts the number of clients that would welcome the chance of 500fps+. The "machine vision" type cameras out there could also have such a feature but for reasons that are simply beyond me don't have.

My other request would be, if it were at all technically possible, why not try for a 4k 150fps+ with a windowed 2k 500-1000fps? Yeah, I know this would make the tech boys and girls sweat but it would be a fantastic option...

JohnF
 
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