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U.F.O over California...

try launched from a stealth chinese sub.. in a power play move to flex their muscle against the USA.

Basically the Chinese are pretty upset with the US and the Fed for diluting the value of their assets and probably more importantly the effort taking place in India and Indonesia by Barry right now to set up a new trading block and potential military presence surrounding China.

this is just a theory.. but plausible
 
Zakaree Sandberg said:
try launched from a stealth chinese sub.. in a power play move to flex their muscle against the USA.

Basically the Chinese are pretty upset with the US and the Fed for diluting the value of their assets and probably more importantly the effort taking place in India and Indonesia by Barry right now to set up a new trading block and potential military presence surrounding China.

this is just a theory.. but plausible
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It was an airplane.
 
It was totally an airplane contrail, and a trick of perspective.

EDIT: Gavin beat me to it.
 
Zakaree Sandberg said:
try launched from a stealth chinese sub.. in a power play move to flex their muscle against the USA.

Basically the Chinese are pretty upset with the US and the Fed for diluting the value of their assets and probably more importantly the effort taking place in India and Indonesia by Barry right now to set up a new trading block and potential military presence surrounding China.

this is just a theory.. but plausible
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Its too big for a sub launched missile. Look at a Trident II launch and see how small that seems compared to this.
 
Gavin Greenwalt said:
It was an airplane.
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wouldnt you think LA Center would come out and give us an ID for that airplane? I would think the min anyone questioned it, center would straight up give us the ID.


so i personally dont buy into the airplane contrail theory...

but again.. MAYBE a perfect storm of epic conditions took place..

but i just find it ODD that we had the military (pentagon) and the FAA had a complete lack of understanding as to what it was or where it was coming from..

the FAA could have easily identified an aircraft without batting an eye..

so either it was a missile (other country or ours).. and damage control is in place to keep the media and citizens at bay (giving the civilians the idea that it was just a "contrail")

.. it was a plane.. and this case i need to get the EFF out of the USA because our FAA and Pentagon have their heads up their asses

... or it was a black ops rocket satellite launch.


but i just say Im over it.. i dont care.. im gunna go surf
 
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The missile theory:

Its appealing and even plausible to suggest the image depicts a missile launch. However, when you draw up a list of suspects, the theory collapses under its own weight. If the US is responsible, the Pentagon would claim responsibility for the launch as an exercise even if they were testing secret hardware. If they were testing secret hardware, the exercise would be conducted in a part of the ocean where prying eyes are unlikely and beyond the trajectories of foreign ELINT assets.

That leaves other militaries. Since the projectile did not explode, it is either a failure or a show of force exercise. No other Navy on the planet would allow the US Navy to get so clear a picture of its capabilities, nor would any rogue state actors tip their hand militarily or risk a confrontation with the US Navy on its home turf.

Besides, the class of warship required to launch such a missile is limited to a nuclear powered ICBM platform like the US Ohio Class or the Russian Typhoon Class of submarines. And any surface warship with these capabilities would have easily been detected by the USS Ronald Reagan Carrier Battle Group which as we know by watching the Cruise ship debacle, is currently operating off the coast in preparation for a combat deployment.

The supposed missile in question's point of origin would fall well within the Reagan BG's Combat Operations Perimeter and the host vessel would have been detected and diverted from the area before it could launch, as any foreign Naval vessel poses unknown risk to navigation and operations.

Since the projectile has no fire at its apex, it cannot be a solid or liquid propellant rocket engine producing the vapor trail and that is the only system capable of vertical acceleration that can produce a plume of that apparent size.

So, the airplane contrail optical illusion is the only one that fits the remaining criteria. As for the FAA knowing the identity of the aircraft, the plane in question is likely outside their area of responsibility. NORAD has hemispheric surveillance capability, I'm sure they know who it was- or will know as soon as they cross reference the video's timeline and the helicopter's trajectory to their data of recent inbound aircraft.

Its really telling that this has happened before. It was a fun puzzle.
 
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This was published by the Dept of Defense and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.

Coordinates below are in the same area as Monday's mystery missile!

No. 45
6 NOVEMBER 2010
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Published Weekly by the
National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
Prepared Jointly with the
National Ocean Service and U.S. Coast Guard

On Page 55

434/10(18).
EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC.
CALIFORNIA.
MISSILES.

1. INTERMITTENT MISSILE FIRING OPERATIONS 0001Z TO 2359Z
DAILY MONDAY THRU SUNDAY IN THE NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER
SEA RANGE. THE MAJORITY OF MISSILE FIRINGS TAKE PLACE
1400Z TO 2359Z AND 0001Z TO 0200Z DAILY MONDAY THRU FRIDAY
IN AREA BOUND BY

34-02N 119-04W, 33-52N 119-06W, 33-29N 118-37W,
33-20N 118-37W, 32-11N 120-16W, 31-54N 121-35W,
35-09N 123-39W, 35-29N 123-00W, 35-57N 121-32W,
34-04N 119-04W.

2. VESSELS MAY BE REQUESTED TO ALTER COURSE WITHIN THE ABOVE
AREA DUE TO FIRING OPERATIONS AND ARE REQUESTED TO CONTACT
PLEAD CONTROL ON 5081.5 MHZ (5080 KHZ) OR 3238.5 KHZ (3237 KHZ) SECONDARY OR 156.8 MHZ (CH 16) OR 127.55 MHZ BEFORE ENTERING THE ABOVE BOUNDARIES AND MAINTAIN CONTINUOUS GUARD WHILE WITHIN THE RANGE.

3. VESSELS INBOUND AND OUTBOUND FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA PORTS WILL CREATE THE LEAST INTERFERENCE TO FIRING OPERATIONS DURING THE SPECIFIC PERIODS, AS WELL AS ENHANCE THE VESSEL'S SAFETY WHEN PASSING THROUGH THE VICINITY OF THE SEA RANGE IF THEY WILL TRANSIT VIA THE SANTA BARBARA CHANNEL AND WITHIN NINE MILES OFFSHORE VICINITY OF POINT MUGU OR CROSS THE AREA SOUTHWEST OF SAN NICOLAS ISLAND BETWEEN SUNSET AND SUNRISE.
 
Here is a video my brother shot at a beach party on new years eve. The event looks almost identical to the recent event. He was one of the few to capture video of the contrail. Pretty cool if I may say so. I believe this footage made its way onto the national news. Can't remember what beach we were at.

Take a look:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaCTP-i7tX8
 
The navy was testing it's brand new subsonic leisure missile. Time to target: 48 hours.

Seriously watch the video. If you've ever seen footage from a shuttle or Delta rocket launch those make pretty good time on their way to space. That thing is barely moving.

It wasn't a missile.
 
Gavin Greenwalt said:
The navy was testing it's brand new subsonic leisure missile. Time to target: 48 hours.

Seriously watch the video. If you've ever seen footage from a shuttle or Delta rocket launch those make pretty good time on their way to space. That thing is barely moving.

It wasn't a missile.
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hard to see the speed of something heading straight up
 
Promotional stunt for SKYLINE : ) or a North Korean Diesel Sub showing off... or Swamp gas.

Yep! Slow moving swamp gas for the win.
 
Zakaree Sandberg said:
hard to see the speed of something heading straight up
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Space is only ~60miles away. If you're launching an ICBM you better make it to space in 2-4 minutes or so. Within 2 minutes I doubt there would be a contrail.

Anything that is flying around putting out a contrail after 2 minutes is taking the slow train to a sub-orbital flight or an aircraft.

From CBS "The camera man followed the trail for about 10 minutes." 10 minutes to space (assuming even that he spotted it within seconds of launching)? The shuttle is in orbit in about 2.5 minutes and reaches orbital velocity in about 8 minutes.
 
No offense, Zak, but Fox News? For Scientific and Technical analysis? Can't we get a more qualified opinion, like from Miss Cleo the TV psychic?

The Contrail Science Guy has the best answer, as confirmed by the Pentagon yesterday. I guess they didn't have that fact on Fox News all day today? I guess Rupert Murdoch dropped the ball on this one.

Here's the contrail effect at work:

http://science.howstuffworks.com/question491.htm
 
There have been a few similar and recent recordings. Most likely due to every man and his dog having a camera on hand. The proximity of the viewer to the cloud (some naturally occurring, others from planes.... ) gives the impression of a steep vertical rise. There is nothing at the head of this cloud, there is nothing moving (other than the camera) nothing leaving a contrail, it is about as strange as a Macmuffin. And ask yourself, why are these phenomena always captured from the same points of view? How come nobody ever bothers to take one from a more advantaged position?: because there is nothing unusual from other angles, that's why. Spend more time outside, behind a camera, y'all. ( :
 
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