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Time Lapse? Is it coming?

TheBied said:
There are a couple of firmware builds coming out shortly. We have another 3.2 to roll out with some bug-fixes along with our next 3.3 beta build. Time-lapse etc will follow both of these.
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Great! I believe in you guys!
 
All,

Maybe I am missing something, I see 2 different issues being discussed here. One is Time lapse and the other is long exposure. Personally right now I need time lapse, not the longer exposures, I can always crank the ISO up if I need more light, or light the scene better. But what I do want is time lapse, from 1 frame per second up maybe 1 frame every 10 minutes, and it would be ideal to be able to adjust how many frames it captures at each burst, from 1 to maybe 25 frames. Then I would have a ver good feature to use.

Ron
 
Long exposures + timelapses = two sides of the same cake for some nature stuff.

But if I was to choose, I'd have taken the TL now and the rest later
 
Before RDC released the Scarlet-X, it was marketed heavily as a true DSMC camera. Many of us bought the camera precisely under that assumption. It's almost 8 months after the Nov 3rd release and we're STILL dragging our DSLRs around to capture stills and timelapses. #dissapointing
 
Marcos Montenegro said:
Before RDC released the Scarlet-X, it was marketed heavily as a true DSMC camera. Many of us bought the camera precisely under that assumption. It's almost 8 months after the Nov 3rd release and we're STILL dragging our DSLRs around to capture stills and timelapses. #dissapointing
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Keep the faith man, I know it has been a bit and the DSMC is huge for me, RED will pull through....
 
Originally Posted by TheBied :
As far as longer exposure go, we're still working on it. In order to make the longer exposures useful you do need to calibrate the camera when using them. Remember, R1 is limited to 1s max as well. If anything longer than 1s is doable and usable it will make it into a build eventually.
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I have to agree with those voicing regrets about long exposures... IF anything longer than 1 sec??? Epic has been portrayed as a DSMC - that S is for Stills... pulling frames from the movie stream is great but actually limited in terms of still work. Please don't get me wrong here the Epic is fantastic and everything it is said to be for moving images but for me time lapse WITH long exposures is a necessity. I know the whole team at Red work miracles and I truly appreciate them... but I hope long exposure time lapse is a matter of WHEN rather than IF... please...
 
TheBied said:
Do other CMOS sensors run at our speeds and frame-rates?
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We keep hearing that DSMC's much higher framerates cause its lower range of available exposure times and the need for constant calibrations with changes in exposure time and temperature, but no one has said any more than you about why. I'm sure a lot of people are curious. Question for Graeme, perhaps?
 
+1 here too.

Now that the Pro I/O is shipping Epic is ALMOST as functional as Red One ..... still can't understand why so many functions that we have had forever on Red One disappeared for over a year with Epic.....
 
Peter Savage said:
I have to agree with those voicing regrets about long exposures... IF anything longer than 1 sec??? Epic has been portrayed as a DSMC - that S is for Stills... pulling frames from the movie stream is great but actually limited in terms of still work. Please don't get me wrong here the Epic is fantastic and everything it is said to be for moving images but for me time lapse WITH long exposures is a necessity. I know the whole team at Red work miracles and I truly appreciate them... but I hope long exposure time lapse is a matter of WHEN rather than IF... please...
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Another big +1 - this is totally *necessary* or, frankly, 'DSMC' is just hype. I don't want to sound harsh, I very seldom have anything bad to say about RDC. But neither am I an uncritical fanboy, and that's the plain truth for me. Timelapse? No biggie, you have an external trigger, you can implement an external intervalometer if you need one. Heck, *that* functionality is something you could built into the REDmote firmware! But long exposures, that one is a deal breaker; I shoot aurora and starscapes. That can't be an 'if' or a 'maybe' for a serious camera.

Mike
 
Im for long exposures and time lapse along with a cache for up to say 15 or 30 seconds, its what I do a lot of work in....but if it takes a while longer for RED, and I don't have to go through a 15 min black shading Im more than glad to wait.
For me, I would prefer to have a preset black shading for the longer exposures 2 to 5 seconds, and then one for sort of what the camera can do now at slower frame rates say around 2 to 10fps, and then a 3rd for basically regular 24fps up to say about 120....and possibly everything else, I think this is would be what the factory setting is now. There is a user setting for black shading and a factory setting, but haven't really seen much of a difference when they are set at extremes and you end up changing back and forth a lot.. leaves a lot of room for you to get out of sync with.. And I always need the user setting to be changed to the next setup so that only leaves one really that you can have all the time and know what it is.
 
go buy a used 5D2 if you want to shoot long exposure. from what i understand, Epic MX will never compete with still cameras for dark-skies timelapse. maybe Dragon is another story.

Epic already has normal 1fps timelapse functions... i've been using it for Tl for over a year.
 
Tom Lowe said:
go buy a used 5D2 if you want to shoot long exposure. from what i understand, Epic MX will never compete with still cameras for dark-skies timelapse. maybe Dragon is another story.

Epic already has normal 1fps timelapse functions... i've been using it for Tl for over a year.
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Well for stills I already have my Nikon D3 bodies. Point is, I don't want to have to drag around more gear and another set of glass just for long exposures... I have a DSMC that *should* be able to do that... RED have been big on pushing the stills applications of EPIC, lots of magazine covers etc... I'd only look at using something different either if I was going ultra lightweight, or if the client needed MF resolution...

Mike
 
Mike 'Fireman' Ross said:
Point is, I don't want to have to drag around more gear and another set of glass just for long exposures... I have a DSMC that *should* be able to do that... RED have been big on pushing the stills applications of EPIC, lots of magazine covers etc... I'd only look at using something different either if I was going ultra lightweight, or if the client needed MF resolution...
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Who says that the camera "should" do this? No one from Red has ever said anything like that. That potentially requires a different type of sensor, shutter, etc. I don't know all the design details or limitations, but I have never been under the impression that an Epic (MX) was ever going to compete with dedicated stills cameras for astro or long-exposure. That's just the reality. If you want to use your cine glass, do like I do, and get a PL mount Nikon or Canon. That's your best bet.
 
Tom Lowe said:
Who says that the camera "should" do this? No one from Red has ever said anything like that. That potentially requires a different type of sensor, shutter, etc. I don't know all the design details or limitations, but I have never been under the impression that an Epic (MX) was ever going to compete with dedicated stills cameras for astro or long-exposure. That's just the reality. If you want to use your cine glass, do like I do, and get a PL mount Nikon or Canon. That's your best bet.
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It's just one of those things, horses for courses!
 
well maybe we all misunderstood but there are quite a few people who are under the impression that they would be able to shoot time lapse with longer exposures and longer intervals. I have the impression there is a degree of backtracking going on. As I have always said in my posts that ask questions - I think Red cameras are fantastic. But I do think a camera described as DSMC in the way that it has been - at the very least implied it would be capable of what digital stills cameras are capable of. I find it quite disappointing that something that has been functioning on the Red One is taking so long to be implemented on the Epic. At the moment it is not even possible to hook up an external trigger to at least have longer intervals than 1 sec which is a really really basic necessity for time lapse, even if we are limited to 1 sec exposures. I still hope for a speedy implementation of time lapse with long exposures (at least longer than 1 sec) and the ability to use an external trigger in time lapse mode. Please?
 
While top flight stills cameras may be the ideal time-lapse choice, I have to echo the issue of dragging along a second camera body when I have an Epic on hand.

I will avoid speculating on why sophisticated time lapse features are still absent on the RED DSMC platform - but I'll bet you a beer Jim has every intension of having it in a firmware rev to come.

Cheers - #19
 
Tom Lowe said:
Who says that the camera "should" do this? No one from Red has ever said anything like that. That potentially requires a different type of sensor, shutter, etc. I don't know all the design details or limitations, but I have never been under the impression that an Epic (MX) was ever going to compete with dedicated stills cameras for astro or long-exposure. That's just the reality. If you want to use your cine glass, do like I do, and get a PL mount Nikon or Canon. That's your best bet.
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That's actually the best suggestion to date... PL mount on DSLR body... I never got into the whole 'DSLR as a movie camera' thing, I'd forgotten people were actually doing that. Makes some sense for those times when I'm 'heavy' and shooting PL. Although at the other end of the spectrum, when I'm going ultra light, I'll have an EPIC, a couple of batteries, a couple of stills lenses and a set of sticks... I do NOT want to add a DSLR body to the backpack just for those occasions when I want to open the shutter for more than a second!

RED have described EPIC & Scarlet as 'DSMC', that's where 'should' comes from. That includes stills (!). My very first stills camera - a clockwork Zenit B circa 1978 - had a 'B' mode. Every stills camera I've ever owned, digital or film, has had that. My EPIC DSMC doesn't do 'B' mode... just sayin... Now sure it can shoot 4K 150FPS or whatever and do all kinds of amazing stuff, but still...

Mike
 
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