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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Time for a RED RAY update...

Having listened to the fxguide REDcast its clear that RED have indeed been taking 'soundings' from DCI members. Very interesting. There's going to be pressure from the exhibitors once they find out the potential cost saving of going REDistribution; but of course the paranoia of 'Hollywood' knows no bounds. The security issues took the various DCI committees years to work out. Might a studio or cinema chain break ranks with the whole DCI concept and go 'rogue'? Interesting times - love it.
 
There might be a market for playing unencrypted DCPs. Which is 'just' MXFwrapped JPEG2000, which certainly is doable for the Pro Version. Would be a starting point. More market if that would be a 3D capable 2k player, for production, previews, dailes, etc.
(With the control options RED Ray Pro offers, 3D would certainly be possible with two synced machines anyway)

But the full DCI-FIPS-Stuff, audio and video watermarking, etc....
Sure RED could do that if they wanted, but is that market large enough for the effort needed - especially now when the DCI industry starts to move towards Integrated Media Block?

- Carsten
 
Hi Stuart,

Couple questions re: RED RAY Pro... (features requests from a while back)

For on set playback (and many other applications) I would like to formally request these specific RED RAY features:

1) Generate and edit clip Playlists.

2) Toggle Loops for individual clips as well as playlists.

3) Adjustable In and Out points for clips.

4) Generate multiple Markers for being able to jump to during playback.

5) Control player from remote system. (IP controllable, Menu's/Interface/Timeline controlled via software running on Desktop/Laptop, etc.)

Are these able to make it into RR Pro first release? Also, curious as to a ballpark price? Under $2K, Under $4K? etc...

Thanks for any info. :-)
 
Carsten Kurz said:
There might be a market for playing unencrypted DCPs. Which is 'just' MXFwrapped JPEG2000, which certainly is doable for the Pro Version. Would be a starting point. More market if that would be a 3D capable 2k player, for production, previews, dailes, etc.
(With the control options RED Ray Pro offers, 3D would certainly be possible with two synced machines anyway)

But the full DCI-FIPS-Stuff, audio and video watermarking, etc....
Sure RED could do that if they wanted, but is that market large enough for the effort needed - especially now when the DCI industry starts to move towards Integrated Media Block?

- Carsten
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Good points Carsten.
 
RED RAY

RED RAY

So RED RAY Pro has Gigabit Ethernet and Wireless 802.11. Is it limited to fimware upgrade downloads or can it media stream 4kish material?
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The encoding of the 4K files is very complex, hence the intended distribution model for RED RAY and RED RAY Pro media is download / store / play.

Of course this has zero importance without domestic 3k/4k monitoring.
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With it's 4K HD to 1080p downconversion, connecting your RED RAY to an existing high end plasma or front projector will also work nicely.

The extra bit depth and higher resolution of a 4K RED RAY encoding v's "1080p native" distribution systems is still apparent to the observer.
 
Stuart English said:
The encoding of the 4K files is very complex, hence the intended distribution model for RED RAY and RED RAY Pro media is download / store / play.



With it's 4K HD to 1080p downconversion, connecting your RED RAY to an existing high end plasma or front projector will also work nicely.

The extra bit depth and higher resolution of a 4K RED RAY encoding v's "1080p native" distribution systems is still apparent to the observer.
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That is AMAZING to hear Stuart, I think Im more excited about RED RAY than EPIC... nahh, I want it all, and I want it now!
 
Stuart English said:
The encoding of the 4K files is very complex, hence the intended distribution model for RED RAY and RED RAY Pro media is download / store / play.
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Thanks for that Stuart. I just cant help thinking that if the data stream is barely SD deep then encoding could be hosted, and the data wrapped in some sort of codec, buffered and unwrapped at the enduser. Downloads could be pretty quick though if files are reasonably small. Stilll it sounds brilliant.
 
Stuart English said:
Actually REDCODE 100 is more like 100MBytes/sec..

As for storage capacity, consider the average data rate of a RED RAY 4K movie is more like 10 Mbit/sec.

Encoding 4K to fit that utra-low data rate is obviously highly complex. There will be encoder details later.


Your 2K and 4K DCI playback question is an interesting one. Not sure, so I'll have pass on that for now.....
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So 4K is 1,25mb a second ???? That's ....
So on a 8GB Cf you could store 6400 sec , that is 106 minutes in 4K !!!!

What will be 1080p then ? 0.5 mb/sec ? (or even less ?)
So on a 8 GB CF you could store 16000 sec , that is 266 minutes ???????
 
4K data rate.

4K data rate.

So on a 8GB Cf you could store 6400 sec , that is 106 minutes in 4K !!!!
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Yes, at an average date rate of 10Mb/s (1.25MB/s) that suggests 6400 sec (106 minutes) on an 8GB CF or SD Card / USB-2 stick....
 
Wait a moment ....
10 mbit/s for 4 K
With UMTS you can go to 21 mbit/s , so you could receive 4K streams with your mobile phone ??????? This can't be true I guess.
 
'Tis true.

And has been demonstrated. Live. To a big group of videophiles. On a ginnormous projection screen.

It's the "too good to be true" exception that proves the rule... for this century.

-sc
 
Did the recent RED Day indicate it's now 15Mbps?

If so, that puts it above the 10.08Mbps peak rate of standard DVD, but that's somewhat academic in terms of playback... there probably hasn't been a 1X computer DVD mechanism shipped in 10 years.

It does mean if that is the average bitrate is close to that, we'd be looking at less than 90 minutes of footage fitting on a single DVD.

If the 15Mbps number is the PEAK, and average is closer to 10, we could be looking at close to 2 hours fitting on a standard dual-layer data DVD, which I think was one of the targets mentioned at the outset for Red Ray.

-sc
 
They stated that the first reel shown was at 15. It looked phenomenal (in part due to the lust-worthy projector, but the codec deserves lots of credit too).
 
Sorry for a n00b question here but when team red says RED RAY 4K they are referring to 4k rgb aren't they? (In other words 5K raw bayer)

Or do they mean the original 4k raw bayer and they are spitting out 3K rgb?
 
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