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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

There IS a new Mac Pro

Their new upgrade plan is inspired by what Red did with Red One to Epic. With one minor difference. With Apple, you pay them the money and they let you keep your old machine. That's it! None of this messing about waiting for couriers...
 
Bing Bailey said:
Intel was very late with the sandybridge xeons , they just came out in april and aren't shipping in any volume. I'm betting apple will skip sandybridge and go straight to ivy bridge xeons which are due out this year and have a chipset that supports usb3 and thunderbolt natively.
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I believe we were saying some very similar things 18 months ago with the last Mac Pro "update"...
 
I truly think Bing is right, and Apple is stuck between a rock and a hard place. They couldn't win, they delay for Ivy and we complain, they rerelease old tech and we complain too...

The 12core is cheaper today then the refurb one was yesterday, that is cool...

Not sure why they kept the 4 core around, I would of thought they would go with at least 6 or 8 cores for the baseline model....
 
Jon Jones said:
The reason Apple is still pushing old gear is that people keep buying the old gear. If you don't like it, go with something else. Go back to windows. Don't just sit here and complain about it all day.
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Something you don't seem to understand at all, is that successful companies like Apple - and Red even much more so - actually listen to their consumers.

If you want things to change, you have to make the effort to "whine and complain" - and then you and everyone else gets something better suited to their needs if enough people voice their opinions. This feedback is WELCOMED by most companies. Many even pay for it.

If everyone just "keeps their heads down like good working men" "let the boss man decide what he wants to do" or whatever it is you seem to feel rugged manly men should be doing instead, progress in all areas would be much slower.

That said ror a 12 core PC with this speed, you would pay at least $3500 maybe more - and it wouldn't have self-correcting heat sinked Ram - so I don't get what the problem is. It's totally competitive.
 
http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/11/david-pogue-new-imacs-and-mac-pros-coming-probably-in-2013/

Look at the updated part with the costumer email exchange. While i hate this sort of communication and "hints" from Apple, this is as close as it gets to a confirmation of a redesign next year and support for the Pro market. Of course, we do need to know if this email exchange is true or bogus.

I do think, however, the new Macbook Pro Retina is a very good Pro machine (so good i just ordered one, in fact, with maxed ram and cpu), and feel confident of Apple keeping its support on the Pro market. The new MacbookPro was a very bold bet from Apple: if there's one machine that represents what Apple is in philosophy, its this one: almost everything is proprietary inside, but this permits this unique design that will be very difficult to copy from competitors, while keeping the stability and performance we all love. Also liked the way they marketed the machine, with complete focus to the pro market. Well done on the 15".

I switched from FCP to Adobe, I'm not a blind "fan" of Apple, but their computers and OS are still top notch and i don't see a reason to switch platforms yet. I have a 2008 Macpro 3.1 with a Rocket card, will probably upgrade the internal raid to SSD's and add some more ram in the upcoming months. The Quadro 4000 for mac is working great, and seeing Nvidia working again with Apple on the laptops is great news for us. I can understand the disappointment from fellow Pros for the lacklustre "update" (I was one of the disappointed ones) but with this "confirmation" in Macrumors I feel confident that the next update will be really significant. The company i work on just couldn't hold on for next year, though, so today they just placed an order to the top of the line "new" Macpro. Its a small bump but still an improvement. The sad part is that I'll have to be working with this "relic" for at least the next 4 years (if I'm still around). This will mean that I will be needing to do lots of work on my personal, next year's model...
 
Simply put, a new Mac Pro will not make stockholders that much happier.

Apple is close to selling a total of 100 million ipads by the end of this year.

I mean, 100 million ipads? That's more than $50 billion dollars in just ipads.

And I think close to 200 million iphones. Enough to make your head spin.

Unless we buy 5-10 million units of Mac Pro, maybe it's just not that essential to them.

What do I know. Just random B.S. :)
 
Sergio Perez said:
http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/11/david-pogue-new-imacs-and-mac-pros-coming-probably-in-2013/

Look at the updated part with the costumer email exchange. While i hate this sort of communication and "hints" from Apple, this is as close as it gets to a confirmation of a redesign next year and support for the Pro market. Of course, we do need to know if this email exchange is true or bogus.
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I think Apple should actually tell their professionals that they still care about them... I mean actually say it instead of letting journalists pass on news like this. I can pretty much guarantee that Pogue ran that post past apple first before he posted it.. so why doesn't apple just say it?

instead Apple silently kills the professional's workhorse , the 17" Macbook pro, and then quietly slaps on a stale slice of cheese onto the aging Mac Pro Tower.

The mighty house of Apple was built on the backs of professional over the last 20 years so I think they deserve it.

So Apple... just get up and just say it.. Say you care. Say you love us Misfits.. the Rebels.. the Editors.. the Creatives.. the Dreamers.. the Crazy ones. Just say it.

The 15" is a great start.. but for most professionals it is a secondary piece of kit.

Apple, remember this?

 
Terry VerHaar said:
If I understand what Jeff Kilgroe has said (and he does seems to know of what he speaks), there are no processors yet available to upgrade the Mac Pros; they are likely to come later this year. So what is Apple to do? Basically, just evolve the specs a little while they are waiting.

I don't know, it just seems like folks want an upgrade but no one is very specific about what they expect it to be.
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That was the case a few months back... New Xeon CPUs were released on March 30th. Before that point it was 22 months since the previous CPU update (which Apple gave us with the 2010 Mac Pro). And it was a year before that when Intel last updated the chipset, giving us the i5500 series and that came with the 2009 Mac Pro. So, up until about 2 months ago, all the screaming for a Mac Pro update was pretty much pointless as no PC workstations had been updated in the same amount of time, there was nothing to update to...

So now that we have new CPUs and chipsets for the Xeon platform on the market, what's the deal? Well, there are some issues. There are supply issues with the chipsets. There are supply issues with the CPUs. Several of the bigger workstation vendors are in fact skipping this iteration of the Xeon platform. Yes, really, no joke. The E5-2600 series are the last of the Intel CPUs to be made on the 32nm process. The supply issues don't have anything to do with yields or QC problems, but manufacturing capacity. They're being made on the few fab lines that have not yet been converted to 22nm. This line of Xeons will be relatively short-lived. The 22nm Ivy Bridge Xeon update is less than a year away. Current Sandy Bridge Xeons, while impressive in their own right, also have some shortcomings. They're large and bloated and suck a lot of power while spewing forth a lot of heat. They are 10% more per core in contrast to previous "Westmere" core Xeon CPUs at the same clock rate. So they're expensive. The E5-2687W not only devours 150W per CPU, but essentially requires liquid cooling to sustain them under moderate to high load. Given all those factors, I don't see where this fits into Apple's universe.

I fully expected the Mac Pro systems to NOT be updated today... I do expect to see a new Mac Pro system when the Ivy Bridge Xeon CPUs launch. But that is still some time off and when/ if it does happen, I think the oversized tower will be gone. And good riddance -- that design is a decade old and while still a classic design and a great example of build quality, it's inefficient and oddly sized, lacking amenities we look for in modern tower designs...

Bruce Allen said:
How's this for specific:

1. We want the same CPUs that you can find in PC workstations currently.
2. We want the same Graphics cards that you can find in PC workstations currently.
3. Additional expansion slots and RAM slots would be nice (like what current PC workstations have)
4. USB3 would be nice.
5. Thunderbolt would be nice.
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Sure that would all be nice. I think it's all coming... With the exception of the GPU support, who knows where that's at. I think there are a lot of clues out there as to what is going on, but it's near impossible to separate the real tidbits from all the crap rumors.

As for the "new" Mac Pro today, I think Apple is doing a real disservice to the industry with their marketing. They're causing a lot of confusion. The only thing they updated to make the systems new is the amount of RAM included on the base configuration and they dropped the 8-core configuration from the store. Other than that, it's still the same 2010 Mac Pro. No way Apple was going to update that design since the chipset is now 3 years old and the CPUs are 2 years old. In order to add more expansion slots or Thunderbolt or USB3, they would have to revise the logic board design and we would have to sacrifice one of the PCIe X4 slots to gain any of those and the sacrificing of one slot won't get you all of it. To add more slots you have to divide up lanes or you have to add a secondary i5520 chipset in a cascade arrangement -- adding latency overall to the entire PCIe bus to increase from 40 lanes to 64. Obvious they weren't going to do any of that...

Anyway... Sorry for the rant...

I think Apple is making a mistake by ignoring the current iteration of Xeons. Intel has enough reference designs where they could put something decent together and insert it into the current tower design. That would have appeased most of their customers and probably made them another barrel of money in the process. But this is Apple -- they work in mysterious ways.
 
Jarred Land said:
I think Apple should actually tell their professionals that they still care about them... I mean actually say it instead of letting journalists pass on news like this. I can pretty much guarantee that Pogue ran that post past apple first before he posted it.. so why doesn't apple just say it?

instead Apple silently kills the professional's workhorse , the 17" Macbook pro, and then quietly slapping on a stale slice of cheese onto the aging Mac Pro Tower.

The mighty house of Apple was built on the backs of professional over the last 20 years so I think they deserve it.

So Apple... just get up and just say it.. Say you care. Say you love us Misfits.. the Rebels.. the Editors.. the Creatives.. the Dreamers.. the Crazy ones. Just say it.

The 15" is a great start.. but for most professionals it is a secondary piece of kit.

Apple, remember this?

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Agreed and feel the same, Jarred. The company's communication to the pro market really needs to change. But i do feel the recent FCPX fiasco, the Macpro petition, the Conan O Brien show rants, etc have had an effect on Apple. The marketing material of the new Macbook Pro is really Pro market oriented- i found that very surprising in a good way.
 
What Jeff said...

For now, I am happy with my 3.33 GHz 6-core and maybe I'll spring for the new Retina display MB Pro. I don't see much of a hindrance to my own workflow for now, so I am perfectly happy waiting to see what comes. Life is too short to focus on what isn't rather than what is.

Then again, I'm one of those who is really liking FCP-X, so what do I know. :laugh: I just never liked going down the same path as everyone else.:nonod: That's one of the reasons I prefer RED over Sony or Canon. I just can't get excited about Premiere on a PC, which does seem like the popular thing to do right now. I guess I'm lucky that nothing is compelling me to go that direction.
 
No, FW800 is unacceptable for R3D's. Two hours for a 256GB offload.

Doug Beatty said:
Hmm, I thought a Thunderbolt/USB 3 combo would have been a fantastic idea for a new Mac Pro. I guess Apple thinks otherwise? FW800 is the future?
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Well, I'm pretty stoked with my hackintosh (just finished building my second one). Sounds like thunderbolt is very close on a few builds now, too.
 
Sergio Perez said:
. The marketing material of the new Macbook Pro is really Pro market oriented- i found that very surprising in a good way.
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This I do agree with. I just really hope this was actually targeted to the professionals and not just clever marketing aimed to consumers and consumers thinking about becoming prosumers.


Not that there is anything wrong with prosumers or consumers. Apple has to think about and they ultimately rely on the consumer to survive now.

And as much as I bitch about wanting Apple to step up in terms of processing. We need to remember that macs, for the first half of apple's life, ran on hardware that was vastly inferior to it's intel / pc counterparts in terms of raw power, and they did just fine with the professionals... Mostly I think because Apple treated them like family.

And Jeff's insight is always a pleasure to read. But the processor is just one part of the problem. I think Thunderbolt would of been in a much better position today if Apple made a thunderbolt PCI-E card for the towers ( getting around the technical issues ) .. and certified at least one of the USB 3 cards and made the drivers to go along with it... I would probably be sitting here using a mac tower if those 2 things existed.
 
Jarred Land said:
I think Apple should actually tell their professionals that they still care about them... I mean actually say it instead of letting journalists pass on news like this. I can pretty much guarantee that Pogue ran that post past apple first before he posted it.. so why doesn't apple just say it?

instead Apple silently kills the professional's workhorse , the 17" Macbook pro, and then quietly slaps on a stale slice of cheese onto the aging Mac Pro Tower.

The mighty house of Apple was built on the backs of professional over the last 20 years so I think they deserve it.

So Apple... just get up and just say it.. Say you care. Say you love us Misfits.. the Rebels.. the Editors.. the Creatives.. the Dreamers.. the Crazy ones. Just say it.

The 15" is a great start.. but for most professionals it is a secondary piece of kit.

Apple, remember this?

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Jarred, I truly believe that Apple can not and will not forget about us, and that my beloved 17" is coming, and is coming even more of a BAD A%$# of the new 15" Retina Display, it has too!!

As for the NEW, I mean truly New MP tower, that too is coming, I have no doubts, and of course I hope I'm right... ;)


brett ogden said:
Jarred this video made me think of KETCH ROSSI and what He is up two and i know you know what i am talking about...;)
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He he, Brett you are always too kind with words and think too highly of me, I'm just a Man with dreams, which happens to persevere them... ;)
 
KETCH ROSSi said:
He he, Brett you are always too kind with words and think too highly of me, I'm just a Man with dreams, which happens to persevere them... ;)
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Well i know you will Persevere and make _________________ GREAT...;)
 
I have hope as well Ketch.. but that hope is dwindling after every big release day comes and goes. It seems like the people that matter I think really most in the world seem to be pushed further and further away.

Maybe next year :)
 
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