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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

The new Macbook Pros are out!

Jamison Stark said:
I haven't been able to buy a MBP since they reintroduced the antiglare screens... because I can't make up my mind if I should get glossy or matte!
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Get the anti-glare (matte) screen. It's more usable in a variety of lighting conditions. I personally like the glossy, until I have bright lights or windows behind me that reflect off of it. In a dark room, there is no difference. Either way, it's the same panel. Only difference is whether you have the matte plastic or smooth glass in front of it.

I have owned both and will always choose the matte screen unless it's a monitor that I know will be placed in controlled lighting.
 
Tom Lowe said:
Okay, so I could get an eSATA Express Card adapter. How many Thunderbolt ports? I can convert one of the Thunderbolt ports to eSATA, potentially, and have two eSATA connections?

The lack of a second HDD kinda sucks, but at least they offer a large SSD.
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Tom, you could get an esata express card adaptor on the 17 inch if you wanted to, but i think the idea with thunderbolt- there is just one port by the way- is that it has the bandwidth to expand out via a hub or something to multi esata, usb2, firewire, or whatever inputs and carry all that data over one cable.

Pretty common too for people to remove the optical drive and put in a 2nd hard drive using a third party adaptor
 
SATA Interface

SATA Interface

does any one know if it's a SATA III interface for the HardDrives and ThunderBolt? I'm sure we'll find out once the tear down is done.

Also how will this port effect RED. New Card Readers!
 
Remember, Thunderbolt is fully bidirectional (dedicated channel out, dedicated in) to keep things flowing.
 
Cid J Salcido Uyarra said:
does any one know if it's a SATA III interface for the HardDrives and ThunderBolt?
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You're thinking about it backwards. Thunderbolt is a bus, and it has the wonderful ability to wrap a different protocol inside it. So it will be able to carry SATA, USB, Firewire, PCIe, DP, or whatever else. It is a totally driver-independent hardware solution, and a great one at that.

Also, LaCie just announced their first native Thunderbolt drive: http://www.lacie.com/us/technologies/technology.htm?id=10039&ref=dynamitedata.com
 
Tom.Wong said:
8 pci express slots
4 thunderbolt connections
4 esata
6 usb 2.0/3.0 combo.

one can dream right? :D
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I'm dreaming... That would be incredible.

Here's what I'm realistically expecting (ok, some dreaming here too...):

* 5 PCIe 3.0 slots - 2 X16 and 3 X8 -- That accounts for 56 lanes of the 64 lanes the upcoming Intel Server/Workstation chipsets are said to have. Remaining 16 lanes will most likely be dedicated to onboard RAID host and dual Thunderbolt ports.

* 6 DIMM sockets for triple channel only memory installation

* Onboard SAS/SATA hybrid host with hardware RAID -- no more Apple RAID Card sold separately. No external connectivity for this host.

* 4 internal HDD/SSD trays with dual connections for holding either a single 3.5" device or dual 2.5" devices.

* Optical drive / expansion bay that can hold a single optical drive, 2 x 3.5" devices or 4 x 2.5" devices.

* 2 Thunderbolt ports. One front, one rear.

* 2 Firewire 800 ports. One front, one rear.

* 3 USB 2.0 ports. One front, two rear.

* Hybrid digital/analog I/O ports for audio.

...Release in June~July?


I want to see dual TB ports on upcoming Mac Mini and iMac systems! Mac Mini server with dual internal SSD and dual TB ports would seriously rock. iMac with dual TB ports would suddenly become a real workstation.
 
Brook Willard said:
Huge step in the right direction... very thrilled with Apple today.

Can't wait for a tower redesign to match.
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Let's hope the tower redesign has a couple of Thunderbolt ports.

Since Thunderbolt supports DisplayPort could this mean integrated graphics freeing up a PCIe slot on the Mac Pro?
 
Curtis Abbott said:
Since Thunderbolt supports DisplayPort could this mean integrated graphics freeing up a PCIe slot on the Mac Pro?
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I think most definitely. Server configurations will probably ship with integrated graphics only.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
I think most definitely. Server configurations will probably ship with integrated graphics only.
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This will be great for Data Management/RED Rocket systems where you don't need to have a beefy GPU and can gain that other slot for additional i/o.

I talked to Sonnet seems like they are interested in making a version of the Qio with Thunderbolt.
 
Tom Lowe said:
Okay, so I could get an eSATA Express Card adapter. How many Thunderbolt ports? I can convert one of the Thunderbolt ports to eSATA, potentially, and have two eSATA connections?

The lack of a second HDD kinda sucks, but at least they offer a large SSD.
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Cid J Salcido Uyarra said:
eSATA Express Cards have corrupted two of my drives (I've tested multiple brands same result). ONE DRIVE TOO MANY!
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You can have two eSATA connections with this (or up to 10 if you use the port-multipliers):
http://www.sonnettech.com/product/temposataproexpress34.html

That's what I use in my 2010 Macbook Pro. Sonnet products are rock solid - never had any data corruption.

OCZ Vertex 3 is looking like the SSD to get, but it remains to be seen whether these MBPs are Sata3:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4186/ocz-vertex-3-preview-the-first-client-focused-sf2200

You're better off waiting for the Alienware M17x R3 comes back online after Intel/Dell sort out the Sandy Bridge recall. 1.5GB Nvidia GTX460M, USB 3.0, WLED 3D 120 Hz display, 3D bluray, up to 32GB RAM, HDMI in + out.
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/revie...vision-gaming-laptop-review-introduction.html

Try watching/editing/gaming in 3D on a Macbook Pro!
 
Peter Franzen said:
You're thinking about it backwards. Thunderbolt is a bus, and it has the wonderful ability to wrap a different protocol inside it. So it will be able to carry SATA, USB, Firewire, PCIe, DP, or whatever else. It is a totally driver-independent hardware solution, and a great one at that.

Also, LaCie just announced their first native Thunderbolt drive: http://www.lacie.com/us/technologies/technology.htm?id=10039&ref=dynamitedata.com
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I guess I'm asking two questions instead of one...Is the harddrive that comes in the Laptop SATA III and is the SATA connector (Motherboard to HD) SATA III say if I wanted to upgrade to 6Gbs if there is a 3Gbs stock drive?

If it is still 3Gbs on the motherboard wouldn't that be a bottleneck. Since they reconfigured the boards for these Sandy Bridge chips I hope it's all SATA III. If not whats the point I'll wait.
 
OCZ Vertex 3 are based on the SandForce chipset. They totally suck for moving large compressed files like H.264, R3D and AVC. You can figure that you will get half the published transfer rates with large compressed files. ...Just sayin'
 
Tom Lowe said:
Okay, so I could get an eSATA Express Card adapter. How many Thunderbolt ports? I can convert one of the Thunderbolt ports to eSATA, potentially, and have two eSATA connections?

The lack of a second HDD kinda sucks, but at least they offer a large SSD.
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Unless I'm mistaken, the idea behind Thunderbolt is that it would allow you to connect up to 6 devices through 1 port. So, I suppose if you found an E-SATA hub that connected via Thunderbolt, and you used six of them, you could end up with plenty of E-SATA I/O.
 
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