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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

The Natives are Getting Restless

I dont think there will be a red 2.. red one is modular.. if they come out with a new sensor.. u buy it.. if they come out with a new evf you buy it.. or you can buy the latest red one with all the new shit.. but i dont think a new body style or anything like that called RED 2 would come out... thats my own thoughts.

PS.. RED BOOT CAMP PLEAAAASSSEEE... HAWAII? OCTOBERISH? or jim private island in washington? haha somewhere cool?
 
Last year when I was placing my reservation, I took Jim at his word when he gave targets for delivery and said that they were subject to change if, and more likely when, development problems cropped up. Some problems showed up and that caveat came into play. Anyone who gets their knickers in a knot wasn't paying as much attention as they should have.
 
I am very please with how things are progressing. People on here have spoken their minds well, and the near future for RED looks exciting indeed.

I must also say, from a rental and operator perspective, that I see a lot of work and some fairly decent money in my future with RED

HOOOOO -RAH!

Jay

Sorry to be greedy, but while my passion may be film making, my true love are my children.. And they cost a lot of damn money!!
 
Jay A. Kelley said:
...my true love are my children.. And they cost a lot of damn money!!
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Same here - my children and grandchildren! There's light at the end of the tunnel though - I've worked them around into loving inexpensive things at the beach now (surfing, skimboarding, etc.). Now if I can just get them to get good grades so they can get scholarships for college, and earn their own cars, that would be way cool...
 
Just to chime in here on a slightly different (but related) tack, Clint's sig reminded me that I too have a low res 18-85mm zoom lens reservation. With the potential delays in cameras shipping, it may well be that since lens development is doubtless going on completely separately to the cameras themselves, the 18-85mm could be ready in time for those people who reserved to actually choose that lens over the 18-50mm if the timeframe for delivery is near enough together.

That said, I'd just like to add my small voice to the fray in saying that I too fully support Red's stance on delaying as long as necessary to ship a 100% field tested, rugged product. It's a one shot deal and the competition will have a field day if there are any flaws at all in its repertoire. I am confident that won't happen BECAUSE of the extended testing schedule, so no complaints here! Keep up the good work Red, the finish line is in sight!
 
Ok, I was one of the original posters on this topic agreeing with Finner by saying, "Whaaat?" to the first cameras (albeit betas) going out to the (supposed) "linejumpers"--the 4 studio (or big budget) features instead of the earliest rez holders.

Then I came to LA for meetings all this week, and have reversed my thinking completely--a full 180 degrees. (That's why I've been pretty quiet.) Here's why.

For every studio exec we met about our projects, I mentioned the Red and they instantly knew about it (their eyes sparkled, the whole nine). They were only TRULY impressed though when I mentioned the 4 "major" projects being shot with it, then the Peter Jackson short, etc. Then I ended up giving a makeshift RED clinic on what we've learned on this forum at each meeting, singing the praises of Red and the footage I've seen.

These dudes are top dogs, budget is not the issue with them. Bottom line, these folks gave the camera WAY more respect when I mentioned the 4 big projects. Inside, I went "Oh."

Duh.

(Some of em even asked me what lense packages I was getting. It's a small industry, aint it?)

Ultimately, it is all about PERCEPTION, just a different kind. And like Jim says, if its good enough for the best--people spending millions upon millions on films--its good enough for the rest. :)
 
rameshjai said:
Every year or two I buy a better, newer camera. As soon as I buy RED that will be it. No more cameras for me. No more waiting for a better one to come along. Finally I can start investing in good writers, better crew, better actors...
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I've kinda been wondering if this is a first mover market - the first workable 35mm digital cine camera wins. It sure looks that way to me... What does anyone else have to do to get sales in this market? They can't simply match RED... what would get people to buy another brand? 4K at 120fps? More dynamic range? A better codec? $10k? It'll take RED a year and a handful of big features to become a trustworthy brand name.

I just don't see too many chinks in the RED armour. I think Canon, Panny, JVC and Sony are screwed - at least for narrative. Consumer, Reality TV, Sports, and ENG won't be affected. Those are probably areas RED will have a harder time denting. Maybe that's the lion's share of the profit too.
 
Joelnet, we talk about a "Brand Killer" and Red has all the earmarks of one. An example of a brand killer is Kleenex, of all things. When your nose is runny, you dont say (girly voice), "Please pass me a tissue." You say, "Gimme a Kleenex." That's the definition of a Brand Killer. When it's name becomes THE item.

Youre right. The first workable 35mm digital cine camera wins, IMHO.
 
Yeah that's actually seen as sometimes a bad thing for a company like Kleenex, though, because if you just associate all tissues as being Kleenexes, they worry that you won't care what brand you buy. I think for me it is more like, "Wait... they make other brands of Kleenex?" Then I go, "Oh wait, they're tissues... they make other brands of tissues besides Kleenex?" hehe.
 
km9000 said:
For every studio exec we met about our projects, I mentioned the Red and they instantly knew about it (their eyes sparkled, the whole nine). They were only TRULY impressed though when I mentioned the 4 "major" projects being shot with it, then the Peter Jackson short, etc. Then I ended up giving a makeshift RED clinic on what we've learned on this forum at each meeting, singing the praises of Red and the footage I've seen.

These dudes are top dogs, budget is not the issue with them. Bottom line, these folks gave the camera WAY more respect when I mentioned the 4 big projects. Inside, I went "Oh."
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And in that sparkle in their eyes did you read 'Oh good now we can make superior low budget movies'? Or was it more 'Oh good now we can make superior grossing low budget movies'?

There was a perception amongst UK execs that HD was going to signal the end of the 'expensive crew' monopoly. No more picky, fussy focus pullers, anyone can now do that. Anyone tried pulling focus on a 35mm lense adaptor and lighting up because your losing 1 1/2 stops to the technology?

I don't particular mind Red taking longer, but I would be careful about whose eyes I look for my inspiration.

Mike EC
 
JonathanLB said:
Yeah that's actually seen as sometimes a bad thing for a company like Kleenex, though, because if you just associate all tissues as being Kleenexes, they worry that you won't care what brand you buy. I think for me it is more like, "Wait... they make other brands of Kleenex?" Then I go, "Oh wait, they're tissues... they make other brands of tissues besides Kleenex?" hehe.
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Actually it is always a bad thing for companies with trademarks like Kleenex. If the trademark become synonymous with a product type it will loose its protected status and enter the public domain. Kleenex probably spends a few hundred thousand dollars a year in advertising and public relations - just trying to get writers to NOT use Kleenex generically in there work. Xerox runs a lot of ads stipulating that Xerox machines do not xerox anything- they photocopy just like all other photocopiers.
 
hahaha, yeah it's kind of funny though isn't it? When a company's success is so massive that the very name of the company becomes synonymous with what the product does. "Hey can you go Xerox this for me?" "Pass me a Kleenex."

And you know what's next...

"Just Google it!" Doesn't really mean you're using Google, it'll be thought of as just a term to search for something, haha.
 
jaadgy akanni said:
the verb should be "to redshoot"
I redshoot, you redshoot, etc.
Instead of using film, you guys should've redshot that.
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No, I prefer the suggestion in the previous reply, 'Should we Red that or film on 35?'

Redshoot too long. Let's Red this or Red that...much better.

We do have a lot of time on our hands.
 
Although I agree whole-heartedly with the above. I would also like to see the camera placed with a couple of smaller independent feature film companies like the one I run where we are making smaller budget films of $2.5 million and under. Placing the cameras with bigger budget films puts them hypothetically in an ideal test scenario. Quite often we are shooting with minimal resources as dictated by our budgets and seeing that the camera can hold-up in these environments would be very encouraging as well. We are an early reservation holder as well - having several cameras under serial #100 -- as soon as we get these, they are going to be thrown into the field in a variety of environmental conditions. I think we all expect to go through some growing pains and a significant learning curve with these cameras - but it is certainly exciting.

Rob P.
 
feature film sets are no walk in the park either. You should check out the special features on "Bad Boys 2". The behind the scenes footage is pretty intese, Bay apparently is the most massive prick alive, at least when hes on set anyway. Also see if you can find the American Cinematographer article on "The Four Feathers". They shot in the desert and had to clean sand out of ALL the equipment on a nightly basis. <Yoda>A feature film budget does not as easy shoot make. </Yoda>
 
I've worked on many big budget feature films as well - and know the obstacles faced at all levels - I was referring specifically to resources available -- things such as appropriate grip and lighting equipment which we never have enough of with indies.
 
mavrix said:
Although I agree whole-heartedly with the above. I would also like to see the camera placed with a couple of smaller independent feature film companies like the one I run where we are making smaller budget films of $2.5 million and under. Placing the cameras with bigger budget films puts them hypothetically in an ideal test scenario. Quite often we are shooting with minimal resources as dictated by our budgets and seeing that the camera can hold-up in these environments would be very encouraging as well. We are an early reservation holder as well - having several cameras under serial #100 -- as soon as we get these, they are going to be thrown into the field in a variety of environmental conditions. I think we all expect to go through some growing pains and a significant learning curve with these cameras - but it is certainly exciting.

Rob P.
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yep, that aint gonna happen (sendin' em out with indies too). the very first footage is crucial and its all about good marketing up front. that means under the ideal lighting situations etc. i wanted some in indies hands too at first, but after thinking about it, i'd probably do the same thing in his situation.
 
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