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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

The Natives are Getting Restless

lol, no nobody said "colour," they said Color, which is the name of the application. ;) It's also confusing to me when people call it FinalTouch. I didn't figure out until a bit later that is what the software was that Apple bought, apparently (I gather), but it's just called Color. That's it's name.
 
I suppose it's a little bit like filming... digitally? ; )
 
Well put Mark,

I have been dreaming about a camera that shoots film quality (but cost less that your home) since I began video production in the late 70's. Jim will soon deliver. Even with the delay it is a dream come true.

As for the few Reds that will be steered toward Hollywood early on. Great.
That type of exposure money can't buy. It will make it much easier for all of us.

Go Red.
 
When Jim Jannard’s made his announcement last Friday on the “Delay news…sort of” it only took me eight minutes to post my affirmation of 100% support for what he posted.
Link: http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2875&page=2

After that, I headed out to do some work, and the thread then launched into a giant 25 pages, with 244 posts. By the time I re-visited the thread it was closed. I assume that Offhollywood opened this current thread in response to the opinions expressed on that previous thread. There were some passionate arguments on that thread and I understand the passion of both sides, however my 100% support for Jim’s decision on that still stands and I would have stated such later on that thread If I would have been online.

Beta testing of product prototypes is both normal and expected. I expected such with RED One, and probably via placed prototypes. As some posters on the closed thread observed, some of the early reservation holders are very qualified to beta test RED prototypes. Rather than use a few camera-experienced early reservation holders as testers, and start a potential “Why not me?” controversy among the rest, Jim wisely opted to limit beta testing to selected D-cinema features in progress – an excellent testing ground. IMO it was a good business decision, plain and simple.

Let’s rewind the calendar backwards:

Reservations for RED One were first taken at NAB 2006, and I reserved RED #8 then, but my support for RED and the RED One project pre-dates that first day reservations were taken by a full seven months. My respect for Jim Jannard and association with Oakley far pre-dated that – by about 25 years.

In the 1980’s and 1990’s, Oakley supported many of the cable network sports series that I worked on as a producer, director, and cameraman. All business relationships are built and maintained on a foundation of respect. I gained a healthy respect for Oakley and Jim Jannard through all those years. I perceived them as a class act – and still do.

From 2000-2005, as a freelance director and cameraman, I worked on several television programs for SPEED Channel that profiled NHRA drag racing, and Jim Jannard is heavily involved in that. Some of those programs profiled Jim’s Funny Cars and crew.

In October 2005 Jim asked me if I’d like to participate in the very first camera specification conference for a new digital cinema camera he was thinking of building, to be held at Oakley headquarters in December 2005. When he described what he wanted to do, I felt it was a very interesting idea, and accepted his invitation to the camera spec meeting.

December 14, 2005 was think tank day, when a panel of guys from multiple industries bellied up to a big table in the Oakley conference room and spent an entire day tossing around concepts for RED One. It was an incredible experience! A few of the guys who ended up being hired as members of RED Team were there, but several of them were not.

Shortly after that, when the DVX USER RED forum and DV Info RED forum were established, I volunteered my free time for several months to both of those forums as a moderator. I did the first published interview with Jim Jannard, announcing the details of RED One, in April 2006, just before NAB. Since then I’ve written several magazine and Internet articles profiling RED and RED One.

I’ve related the above background info on my past association with Jim Jannard, Oakley, and RED for this purpose: all relationships are built and maintained upon a foundation of respect and trust. I’ve built my respect of and trust for Jim Jannard, Oakley, and now RED over a period of many years now. When Jim related his dream of RED to me in 2005, I understood the technical requirements and need for such a camera system immediately, but more than that my longtime respect for Jim moved me to lend my support to the effort. The years had taught me that Jim was a man of insight, perseverance, passion, artistry, and ethics. It’s those qualities that earned my respect, not his wealth. In fact, it’s those qualities that earned him his wealth. I’m an independent businessman with my own busy work schedule, but my respect for Jim and his excellent and timely idea of RED and RED One convinced me to lend my support over these years to the RED effort – a decision I’ve never regretted.


As you can tell from the above, when it comes to RED, I go way beyond being an “early adopter”, “early reservation holder” or a “fanboy” – in fact, I was onboard the concept of RED and RED One before they even existed – because of my respect for Jim Jannard.

Fast forward back to today. I support Jim’s decision of last Friday 100%. I have a great testing team assembled who are standing by to test RED #8 in Los Angeles when I receive it – I’ll post the names and details of the testing parameters next week. The last thing RED or my testing team would want is for a highly-limited prototype, that hadn’t been field tested in real world production, to be the shipping camera that we test in Los Angeles (#8).

Does my history with Jim, Oakley, and RED mean that I'm not objective in my analysis of RED One, it's lenses, and accessories? No - objectivity is in my nature. Will the testing team for RED #8 be objective and unbiased in their testing, and will the results be posted without sugar-coating? Yes. The notion that because someone voices enthusiasm for a product they must have lost their objectivity is ludicrous, and a convenient easy out for critics.

We’re all part of the overall family of people interested in RED One. Let me add my request to that of others on this thread that we close ranks, give respect to others, and keep RED User as a place of idea exchange, learning, and progress. When this Friday’s announcement comes, let’s communicate and discuss, rather than accuse and fight. After all, we all want the same thing – a functional, full-featured camera system that can deliver well in the real world of production scenarios. I believe RED will deliver that – and as I’ve summarized above, I’ve believed that for many years now.
 
As far as I remember:
All specs and timetables are moving targets and due to change on short notice (usually in the fantastic direction, though)
Deposit is 100%/110/120% refundable depending on when you reserved.

So what more is there to say?

Go for it and make it eaven better!

Cheers and thanks

Gunleik
 
One of the reasons I asked in that thread about whether anyone on the reservation list/poster here at reduser would be amongst those testing is because I'd love to hear feedback (I was thinking maybe yourself Gibby or perhaps even the venerable Mr Mullen). I imagine we will not get as much input from people working with the camera if it's behind closed doors - Maybe I'm wrong? I hope so. I've enjoyed reading about the trials and tribulations Red have had to overcome and it'd be a shame if they stopped coming now and only those involved with the shoots were party to the ups and downs of shooting a feature with Red for the first time. Perhaps a Red Beta Blog by Jim or the different members of the Red teams stationed on the shoots would be good? :)
(I'd be happy to put something together for you if wanted one designing)
 
Mark it was a pleasure to meet you at NAB and have some time to talk to you. You hit it right on the head. I am very excited to see where we end up. And if that means I have to wait for a year to recive my two cameras. And I get the quilty out of the cameras the we know is possible. So Be. it. I am rooting 100% for the RED team and all that they are doing. I think Jim has done and amazing job keeping us informed when he dose not have to. We put money down on a product that was always stated under devlopment. Even when they where getting closer even now down to the last 5% it is still under devlopment. Until it say that the camera is under production then we have no reason to worry or bitch. IMHO
 
Thanks Paul. I personally appreciate your vote of confidence in suggesting that I beta test a RED prototype, as I would guess David Mullen also appreciates your confidence. That said, I fully support Jim Jannard's decision on how RED should proceed with beta testing. The bottom line is to get the cameras into the hands of good shooters and get some useful feedback - something RED will definitely be achieving by what they've announced. I think your suggestion of getting some feedback from the beta testers posted here on RED User is very cool, but RED is swamped with development details for the camera system, and we'll see if they take your suggestion. I have confidence in RED Team and that they'll take care of us as best they can at every turn - under very busy and trying circumstances.
 
I sold all my video equipment over a year ago. Everytime I thought of buying something, something new was just announce. I am out of the market at this time. I will buy Red when it is available. I dont care how long it takes. I just want something that will last and is a good. The Red Camera will be top of the line. I believe this 100%


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As soon as those 4 productions finish using the betas I think RED cameras will be in higher demand than ever. Those who are worried about the "significance" of their reservation need not worry. If the tests go well, demand will go up and I somehow doubt that RED is going to let retail cameras leave out of the reservation order.

Wet their appetite and then make them stand in line with everybody else. Those first couple hundred could be very very busy.
 
I definitely think you're right on that Gavin…

Further evidence of RED's intentions to help take care of reservation holders along those lines, and help keep their cameras busy, was emailed out to reservation holders yesterday from RED: the RED Rental Referral List. Very cool...

There's new thread going on RED User about that newly announced RED service.

Link: http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2918
 
Greg Syverson said:
I sold all my video equipment over a year ago. Everytime I thought of buying something, something new was just announce. I am out of the market at this time. I will buy Red when it is available. I dont care how long it takes. I just want something that will last and is a good. The Red Camera will be top of the line. I believe this 100%


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Every year or two I buy a better, newer camera. As soon as I buy RED that will be it. No more cameras for me. No more waiting for a better one to come along. Finally I can start investing in good writers, better crew, better actors...
 
How about RED Two or the RED pocket camera? :)

rameshjai said:
Every year or two I buy a better, newer camera. As soon as I buy RED that will be it. No more cameras for me. No more waiting for a better one to come along. Finally I can start investing in good writers, better crew, better actors...
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jlaurili said:
How about RED Two or the RED pocket camera? :)
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(shakes fist towards the heavens and screams into the cliffs of the White River--echo effect) Damn You jlaurili and your confounding logic!!! My head is spinning... fade to black....

Sorry, just a lil' restless (joke)

...last post for a while
 
I was out of town over the weekend as well and am just catching up on everything - if we're almost there, we're almost there. I'd much rather have some high end DP bang on this thing and find the bugs than have it be up to me. Well, maybe not ME, since I like to figure this stuff out, but MOST users would rather that scenario I'd imagine.

In short - well put Mark - I totally agree.

-mike
 
Well said Mark and Gibby... and Jim, you have my 100% support.

Thank you for your unwavering dedication, honesty and integrity.

I have been in this business since I was 13, and now, 47 years later, I can say I have never seen such an entrepreneurial leap that has the possibility to fundementally change the landscape of this industry.

I also support your decision for having RED tested on major features because the marketing value alone will help ensure the success of RED making it better for all of us.

And I agree with Gibby that we, as early supporters, should close ranks and do whatever we can to help this enormous effort. I think it's the least we can do for the consideration we are getting.

And let's put this "Fanboy" nonsense to rest. Having respect and excitement for a true champion is very refreshing in these times of cynacism and suspicion. Jim deserves nothng less than our complete support and trust because he has proven - at least to me - through his honest communications and committment that he has earned it.

Jim's courage is also something that impresses me more than anything. Think of what it takes to do something like this and then think of what he has risked in the process. Many of us are concerned about schedules and delays and -god forbid - failure. Just think about what failure would mean to Jim.

Some would say, "what does it matter, he doesn't need the money." to those people I would say they don't understand the nature of a man like Jim and what drives him to create a self-imposed challenge like RED and the courage one needs to see it through. To men like Jim - "failure is not an option."

I have had several military commanders and a few directors in my career that I would follow anywhere and in some cases, risk my life for... and Jim has earned my repect and joins that group.

"Fanboy"... I don't think so. It's just plain old-fashoned respect.

Aloha,

Keith
 
Hey, give us the camera when it's ready. The last thing I want is to be on a set and the thing has a meltdown. I look bad, RED looks bad, etc. If these cameras go out truly untested and they start failing, the competition will have a field day with the press and all the momentum and excitement will be lost. The big guys are just waiting for a major glitch so they can swarm in cast doubt on the entire effort. Trust would be lost and it would take time to gain that trust back. For those who cannot wait, you could always go out and buy an F-23. Yea, right.
 
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