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The Hobbit...

The makes sense, the video blogs did give some information about their schedule for post and vfx, and I remember wandering how it was possible to do top notch creative work with such aggressive pacing.
 
I think I remember seeing that they are working 24/7 VFX rotations on these films because it's ALL in-house at WETA Digital now. LOTR required several VFX companies per film since WETA wasn't as big and had additional workloads to do from other movies to pay the bills.
 
One thought is maybe one reason the Hobbit was done at 48FPS 3D was to build capability to attract Avatar Sequels/Jim Cameron to all be done in Wellington. Rather than being in a position where they have to build a pipeline from scratch start on the Hobbit then continue for Avatar. After all the investment on Weta for the Hobbit is effectively Peter Jackson keeping production capability in his backyard, but it doesn't make the company money or ensure that future productions will come to Wellington. But having secured the Avatar sequels is almost a blank cheque in terms of the amount that people will invest, and that means Jackson can kerp his people employed without having to helm consecutive large film projects himself.
 
That would be awesome if true, maybe he did VO. The image of him just doesn't look real. Why would they add the effect or use a CG actor?

Augusto Giachino said:
Orlando Bloom did join the cast.
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Could be a trailer "temp" edit which will be replaced when the film rolls out.

Gabe Conroy said:
I don't think that's it (I mean we're talking about the same people who did Avatar).

Rather I think it's because of 48 fps 3d...Peter Jackson mentioned at some point that they were only allowed to make that choice because he assured the studio it wouldn't cost more money. So they're probably heavily stressed with the work load, and probably not refining a lot of shots as much as they otherwise would.
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Will Keir said:
That would be awesome if true, maybe he did VO. The image of him just doesn't look real. Why would they add the effect or use a CG actor?
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No, he didn't do VO, just look at the production diaries of Desolation of Smaug, it's easy to find on the web. Why Orlando looks so CGI? Oh, I don't know... maybe because actor aged 12 years. Sure they applied some digital "de-aging", but that's common these days and understandable in case of a prequel movie.

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Vadim Bobkovsky said:
No, he didn't do VO, just look at the production diaries of Desolation of Smaug, it's easy to find on the web. Why Orlando looks so CGI? Oh, I don't know... maybe because actor aged 12 years. Sure they applied some digital "de-aging", but that's common these days and understandable in case of a prequel movie.
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Or more importantly perhaps to further the story. Legolas is indeed an elf and in the world of Middle Earth elves are immortal.
 
Make up? Just kidding. I see your point.

"de-aging," when did good makeup artists die? With the release of 5k and sharper glass? Certainly not.

Vadim Bobkovsky said:
No, he didn't do VO, just look at the production diaries of Desolation of Smaug, it's easy to find on the web. Why Orlando looks so CGI? Oh, I don't know... maybe because actor aged 12 years. Sure they applied some digital "de-aging", but that's common these days and understandable in case of a prequel movie.

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Will Keir said:
Make up? Just kidding. I see your point.

"de-aging," when did good makeup artists die? With the release of 5k and sharper glass? Certainly not.
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Sure thing. But there also market for digital botox.



 
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AFAIK they never released HFR version of any trailers (or the movie for that matter) on the Web or Blu-Ray. For now it's strictly for theatrical digital projection. Maybe later they will release 48fps HFR versions for RedRay?
 
Yep, everything with more than 24fps is just fanmade interpolation stuff, not the real deal and present probably a different look.
REDRAY (or Digital Download at all) and Blu4k are our best chances to get a HFR-version at home, but i guess it will take a while. They also intend to use HFR only for 3D-projection, so chances for a 2D-HFR-version are slim, i think, and 2k/3D/HFR will already be problematic to handle.

BluRay could do 60fps (not sure about 48), but only in 720p and 2D.

And 4k/HFR/3D is a totally different story, there are many things that are not ready for that (even the movies aren't finished in 4k yet). Maybe the REDRAY Laser-projector with ts integrated player could do it?
 
Very positive review in today's Hollywood Reporter by Todd McCarthy:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movie/hobbit-desolation-smaug/review/663372

On the images, McCarthy says:

Visually, the predominance of CGI in most scenes is consistent not only with the previous entry but all the Rings films and too many of Jackson's and cinematographer Andrew Lesnie's carefully calibrated swooping and circling camera moves look like they were generated by a computer program. On the other hand, the distractingly vivid images provided by the 48 frames-per-second in the first film appear to have been massaged properly this time, and there is a notably lower-than-average reduction in image brightness when using the 3D glasses.

McCarthy was very negative about the 48fps in the previous film, so I'd say this is an improvement.
 
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