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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

The Hobbit...

Josh Snyder said:
48fps is needed in order to "fix" some problems 3D has. PJ and his pals think "videolike" footage is not as bad as the problems with 24fps that people have been criticizing 3D about. They "fix" one problem and get another. Now they are saying that 48fps is somehow better since it's more realistic.
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From what I've seen, Jackson is saying he prefers the 3D motion characteristics of 48fps. It's not about making it more "realistic" per se -- I think they're just trying to minimize judder and create smoother motion. It's a perfectly valid creative choice, not that big a deal.
 
Cinema started at 18fps went to 24fps then came sound then colour then widescreen then 3d then digital then high res....

And the strobe heads :) would seem to argue this is not a trend toward satisfying the publics desire for a lifelike experience!!?




Mike Brennan
 
I am hoping they move to 300fps as soon as possible. Any idea when the first RED with 300fps at full sensor resolution will come? I saw a while ago that 300fps modes are possibly being standardized for the upcoming high efficiency video codec so thats a good sign at least. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Video_Coding
A full frame or medium format 8192x4608 300fps RED would be nice. :)
 
It is only about 8 times the data rate of the epic so it should not take too long i think. It could be 5 years if they push the technology to the same level for its time but i am hoping they raise the bar and do it sooner.
 
Ravi Kiran said:
Does anyone here know if there will be 4K 48fps 3D screenings of The Hobbit? Or will it just be 2K?
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PJ has apparently said that it will be released in 6 formats now:
2k @ 24 fps
2k @ 48fps
2k 3D @ 24fps
2k 3D @ 48fps
IMAX 3D @ 24fps
IMAX 3D @ 48fps.

My question is, what resolution is the digital IMAX in? I heard they used 2xChristie 2k projectors for IMAX...
 
georgelyoung said:
PJ has apparently said that it will be released in 6 formats now:
2k @ 24 fps
2k @ 48fps
2k 3D @ 24fps
2k 3D @ 48fps
IMAX 3D @ 24fps
IMAX 3D @ 48fps.
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Don't forget, there are at least 4 different 3D systems out there: RealD, Dolby 3D, XpanD, and MasterImage 3D. None of these look the same; each requires a color-correction pass.

I seem to recall there were 22 color-correction versions of Avatar, between the different aspect ratios, film formats, and 3D systems. I expect The Hobbit will be even more complex because of the added wrinkle of frame rates.
 
Marc Wielage said:
Don't forget, there are at least 4 different 3D systems out there: RealD, Dolby 3D, XpanD, and MasterImage 3D. None of these look the same; each requires a color-correction pass.

I seem to recall there were 22 color-correction versions of Avatar, between the different aspect ratios, film formats, and 3D systems. I expect The Hobbit will be even more complex because of the added wrinkle of frame rates.
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No cinema 3D system needs dedicated distribution versions. They are all processed/corrected on-the-fly in the server/projector. AVATAR did not have 22 different distribution versions. At a time, Cameron considered different grades for different screen brightness, but FOX brought him to reason. The different aspect ratios and 2D/3D was more than enough for an industry that normally prefers single inventory distribution. Counting in IMAX and 2D versions, it actually wasn't special compared to other major releases.

- Carsten
 
Carsten Kurz said:
No cinema 3D system needs dedicated distribution versions. They are all processed/corrected on-the-fly in the server/projector. AVATAR did not have 22 different distribution versions.
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That's not what I heard from Skip Kimball at Modern Videofilm in Burbank, who had the herculean task of working on all those versions. My understanding is that the process took months and months to do, and was checked and rechecked countless times to make sure it was absolutely perfect.
 
Carsten Kurz said:
No cinema 3D system needs dedicated distribution versions. They are all processed/corrected on-the-fly in the server/projector. AVATAR did not have 22 different distribution versions.
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Just to follow up my previous comment, I just stumbled upon some proof:

http://www.technicolor.com/en/hi/cr...vatar-colorist-skip-kimball-joins-technicolor

Here's the direct quote:

There were 18 different delivery versions of Avatar created for the domestic market, plus an additional 92 for international markets, which were released in 47 languages. In addition to the need for versions to accommodate various 2D, 3D, film and digital auditoriums, Cameron made the decision to create versions at different aspect ratios and light levels (3D projection and glasses can cut down the light that the viewer sees) in order to project the best possible images in each theater configuration. Led by lead colorist Kimball, Modern VideoFilm completed 22 full color grades of Avatar for the different aspect ratios and light levels.

So I was exactly right: 22 color grading passes for Avatar, which is what I was told by certain insiders. Just so you know I'm not plucking these facts out of thin air.
 
Marc, you wrote:

'Don't forget, there are at least 4 different 3D systems out there: RealD, Dolby 3D, XpanD, and MasterImage 3D. None of these look the same; each requires a color-correction pass.'

No 3D system needs a special color-correction pass. They all receive exactly the same distribution file.

The other quote mentions 22 VERSIONS. That is not 22 different color corrections. AVATAR was delivered in different aspect ratios, 2D and 3D, on film and digital. Yes, some of these need their own DI/color correction, but not all of them. Especially not the 3D systems. All digital cinemas receive the same disc content with exactly the same files on them, no matter what 3D system they have. The only exception a few years ago was ghost-busted RealD versions.


- Carsten
 
Carsten Kurz said:
No 3D system needs a special color-correction pass. They all receive exactly the same distribution file.

The other quote mentions 22 VERSIONS. That is not 22 different color corrections. AVATAR was delivered in different aspect ratios, 2D and 3D, on film and digital. Yes, some of these need their own DI/color correction, but not all of them. Especially not the 3D systems. All digital cinemas receive the same disc content with exactly the same files on them, no matter what 3D system they have. The only exception a few years ago was ghost-busted RealD versions.
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In most cases, what you say is true. However, in the case of Avatar, I believe different versions were made for different light levels on some of these systems. However, since I happen to work with the colorist who did Avatar (as well as all of Cameron's work), I'll ask him and come back with the correct answer.
 
Peter continues to tease us with some The Hobbit-related stuff.

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Carsten Kurz said:
No 3D system needs a special color-correction pass. They all receive exactly the same distribution file.
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That is not true. I was told by the people involved at Modern that they optimized each 3D pass for its specific image characteristics, which was a request by the director. Different systems had different light outputs, so they compromised with an overall setting in color correction. The article specifically said 22 different color correction passes. That could mean an overall, so we're not necessarily saying it would be an entire scene-by-scene session from scratch -- just minor touch-ups here and there. But still, very time-consuming.

Hopefully Mr. Most will confirm the story I heard from the engineers involved.
 
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