The CF module...

[Craig Harding]

I suspect a lot of people ordering cameras may be in a similar position to us. We've only recently ordered a Red One (after I finally managed to persuade my business partners). We've put a deposit down on the camera, but haven't ordered any accessories at this stage. I'm assuming that although the accessories may see some delays, they won't be as bad as the camera itself, and we can put our order in for accessories a month or so out from the anticipated ship date.

Perhaps this is a bad assumption - I'd appreciate some guidance if this is the case. But we didn't want to tie up another few thousand dollars in deposit for accessories when the money can stay in our bank for a few more months - as much as Red might prefer that we didn't.

Anyway, at this stage we're planning to get the standard bits, including both zoom lenses and the B4 adapter, and a CF adapter.

 

[Darwin]

I and others have asked this before, with no answer. Will we have the ability to record on a continuous rceording loop to the CF cards? Kind of like the HVX does with the P2 cards.

Anyone know?

 

[Steve Freebairn]

Jim,

What do you anticipate the price of the 8GB certified cards to be? $200~

They are 189 at BH right now. They'll only come down. a 300x card provides roughly 40 megabytes/sec which is ample room over the approximate 27 mb/sec that has been listed (although Jim said it was a little more complicated than just a steady 27).

 

[Stuart English]

Continuous Record

Continuous Record

Will we have the ability to record on a continuous rceording loop to the CF cards?

Not in the initial release of the camera Darwin. The capability of the camera will evolve over time via software updates.

What kind of pre-record times are you looking for BTW?

 

[Desert Rune]

One thing that has been asked is why we didn't make this standard equipment. Truth is that we guessed on the price of the RED ONE at NAB 2006. And given the $2500 allowance, there is no more room for "gifts".

Truth is Jim, the price of the Red One body is pretty low at $17K for 4K acquisition. I wouldn't be surprised, nor shocked if you choose to raise the price of the Red after all current reservations have been filled.

 

[Roberto B]

no way man.. this would be a bad marketing move.. what do you think jj is?.. one of the reasons for the red success is that magical $17,500.. it works like a trade mark.. brand's value my friend..

 

[Elizabeth Lowrey]

I just ordered today and know that I can modify the order at any time, so I didn't make my onboard storage selection with full reflection. But I opted for the SATA flash after reading Brook Willard's excellent FAQ document at the top of this forum. Seemed like the recording times (always a concern for me) and $/GB were in its favor, and a cursory net search led me to believe that more and more SATA flash drives are coming, driven by laptop technology, so that prices will be continually going down while capacities go up.

Jim, are you favoring the CF for just "today" or do you anticipate it being the most economical and practical onboard option for the next year or more?

 

[Häakon]

The capability of the camera will evolve over time via software updates.

This is one of my favorite things about RED - there are so many places the camera can go, and I know the team is going to take us there and beyond. If you can dream it, they'll make it happen.

Making obsolescence obsolete indeed!! :biggrin:

 

[Jim Arthurs]

That said, if you can afford the camera, you can't afford to not buy the CF option.
Jim

This isn't fair... I DEMAND to pay proprietary P2 prices, and then have the option to record lack-luster HD-like footage to them!!!

Panasonic has trained me well...

 

[S. Um]

Jim,

I don't mind buying the flash module, but for EFP situations, there will be many times when I will need longer recording times. For this reason, I was also planning to get a Red drive. Since you're urging people to ge the flash module, does this mean there's some reason we shouldn't get the Red drive or Red RAM?

 

[Rick Darge]

This isn't fair... I DEMAND to pay proprietary P2 prices, and then have the option to record lack-luster HD-like footage to them!!!

Panasonic has trained me well...

Hahaha..

I was watching the 2k pro-res footage earlier on my macbook.. after watching it, i jumped back to this hvx-200 project i've been working.. wow, it looked so soft, bland and foul compared to what I just watched... it's such a poor excuse for HD.. weird, because after I got my HVX, I thought the picture was so clear and crisp. I lied to myself and said this was the new revolution, a mini-varicam..

i heart red

 

[Jaime Vallés]

CF or bust!!!! I don't trust hard drives. 1.8" SATA and ExpressCard are still out of reach of most people, and the RED-RAM is a little too pricey for me. CF is solid, cheap, and available.

Can't wait for those 16GB cards!

 

[Rob Lohman]

Jim, are you favoring the CF for just "today" or do you anticipate it being the most economical and practical onboard option for the next year or more?

I'm not Jim and I can't really see in the future, but after having shot things on CF I'm hooked. It's one of the easiest ways to record, just slot a little CF card in the side of your camera.

Someone else mentioned 4K in your pocket. Hell yeah! I've done that multiple times. You have to be careful to not loose 'em :clown2:

Terabytes of data has been shot with RED on CF. Would be nice to have 16 or 32 which will be here soon enough.

 

[Greg Greene]

How is footage from CF cards transfered to ones desktop ?

Best

Greg

 

[Paolo Tinari]

Hahaha..

I was watching the 2k pro-res footage earlier on my macbook.. after watching it, i jumped back to this hvx-200 project i've been working.. wow, it looked so soft, bland and foul compared to what I just watched... it's such a poor excuse for HD.. weird, because after I got my HVX, I thought the picture was so clear and crisp. I lied to myself and said this was the new revolution, a mini-varicam..

i heart red

I feel the same even thou i coudnt watch the 2k footage. And with the M2 i feel even worse. But without the HVX i woudnt have start this (wich i dont know exactly where is taking me).

The CF solution is a real solution. Cant believe how much i paid 2 8gb P2 last year...

 

[Jannard]

How is footage from CF cards transfered to ones desktop ?

Best

Greg

A CF card reader...

Jim

 

[Justin O'Neill]

I'm sure it is the same as with SLR cameras: a USB or Firewire CF card reader. Some laptops come with CF readers built in as well.

 

[Häakon]

weird, because after I got my HVX, I thought the picture was so clear and crisp. I lied to myself and said this was the new revolution, a mini-varicam..

Haha, I actually blasted the HVX when it came out because I thought it was a piss-poor excuse for providing HD (still do) and almost got lynched off of DVXUser for it. Oh well, I know what my eyes see - and at least I'm honest! I think people just got caught up in the hype and didn't want to hear anything different. I admit that I was ready for the HVX to be the second coming, too... I just wasn't very happy with the footage.

Of course the "hype level" is easily ten times for RED what it was for the HVX, but the difference is that the RED footage actually leaves me speechless... these next few weeks can't go by fast enough!!!

 

[Daniel Reichenbach]

RED ONE customers really need to buy the CF module. It costs $500.

Thats a no brainer, it's on my list. With it you get 30 to 60 REDcoded frames out , tepending on the frame size. That's great. But: How do I get the 60 to 120 frames out without REDcode (See TechSpecs)? Do I need a RAWport for that right? And if yes: Can the CFmodule and the REDport be at the same time on the camera? If yes: How do I get the RAW data out for HighSpeed? With RED RAM? That would mean: For HighSpeed I need another 10'000 $ (RAWport/RED RAM)?

 

[Zach Nelson]

From what I understand, the only way to get the raw uncompressed data out (no RedCode) is through the RedPort. But you'll need to have a beefy system and network to handle 320M+/second. Since RedCode is wavelet-based, the compression is not visible, and hence no need to deal with the raw output (unless you really really really want to). Also, I believe you can only record to one device at a time. I'd assume that includes the RedPort.