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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

The CF module...

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Jeff Kilgroe said:
AFAIK, the FLASH module attaches to the camera via SATA. So if someone loses the side-mount SATA interface by installing the RAW port, would it be possible to attach the FLASH module to the other SATA connector -- where we attach RED DRIVES? Perhaps some form of adapter/mounting sled could facilitate this, or even a FLASH module that can be mounted like a RED DRIVE?
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That's an excellent idea, Jeff! I couldn't find any responses to this post. How about it Red team?
 
CF Card Life Cycle

CF Card Life Cycle

Does anyone know how many times one can install and remove a CF Card, before its conductors fail?

we bought an 8GB Card for our Nikon D2Xs and have never had to remove it. we just dump the data from the camera into a hard drive. It holds over 400 RAW photos per card!

My concern is that a CF card may perhaps not be as rugged as a P2, which I understand have substantial engineering built into their ruggedness (Thats what I am told). Our CF card looks like it's conductors might strip over time.

Does anyone have any experience with this?

Thanks,
G
 
G.A. Kokes said:
Does anyone know how many times one can install and remove a CF Card, before its conductors fail?

we bought an 8GB Card for our Nikon D2Xs and have never had to remove it. we just dump the data from the camera into a hard drive. It holds over 400 RAW photos per card!

My concern is that a CF card may perhaps not be as rugged as a P2, which I understand have substantial engineering built into their ruggedness (Thats what I am told). Our CF card looks like it's conductors might strip over time.

Does anyone have any experience with this?

Thanks,
G
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I pull the CF card in/out of my Canon DSLR 10X per day and have been doing it for 2+ years on my latest camera and never have any issues.
 
battistella said:
I am not sure you are considering (remote) documentary production in this workflow.
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This was the workflow used on a remote location shoot.

The cards came back to set a couple of days later (usually not the next day, never on the same day).

We've got good experience with some firewire 800 card readers for speed (don't ask me which brand or type, I don't remember and don't have one here)
 
Jim... thank you. Team RED, thank you... will the 8GB Extreme IV work just as well as the Ducati SanDisk's? Are you finding a huge benefit in using the faster cards? Adorama has the 8GB Extreme IV (40MB/s) CF cards on sale for $155 http://www.adorama.com/IDSCF8GE4.html

PS what is the approx down time between card switches to get the RED back up and shooting again (timelapse)? if I'm in the middle of shooting timelapse... and the card becomes full, what happens when I get the new card in? do I need to re access the menu again? or is there a way to pause while I switch CF cards then continue capturing?? I would want to touch the camera as little as possible as to not bump the camera changing the framing of the timelapse...

mike
 
Jarred Land said:
I can honestly say after months of recording 4k onto CF, i wouldn't know what to do without it. I can for sure see the need of some long form recording onto drives (had to today), but Honestly, 98% of the last 100 or so hours ive shot on RED.... has all been on compact flash. Its just so secure, solid and quick.
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Man...100 or so hours shot on RED. Boy am I jealous. Seriously though, CF is a dream come true for the RED. I can't wait to get my hands on mine.
 
laguun said:
Optical storage is good, however, there is no blueray writer/reader on the market i would aware of, which has enough bandwidth: red should need ~27.x Mbyte/sec.

Also, a 1 TB or 500 GB disk will store several hours of footage, needs less space and can be backed up in one step. Optical media, as of yet, will store less than 30 minutes, and will require workforce to be backed up. We will probably go with 4 * 1 TB disk in seperate casings for a shot. One on the set, backing up the notebook, One at the hotel, to back up the days work, in the safe, backing up the backup, and one wandering between post and set.

Anyhow, i see blueray as the media for hot environments, where discs can become problematic.
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Maybe, I thought BLU RAy supported up to 30MB play back. I'll have to check.
If nothing else, a relatively cheap way to permanently archive. You could still keep the data on the laptop for playback.
 
Antoine Fabi said:
Jim, Rob,

Is it possible in a near future to buy a multiple RED CF cards module as an expansion option ?

Is it technically feasible ?

Antoine
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Rob,

let me insist again, is it possible ?

That would be awesome.
...in a lot of situations where we "wait" for "the" good take.
 
Surely unless you're planning on recording directly to the Bluray disc it's bandwidth is irrelevant? It just means that the transfer won't be realtime, that's all - once it's off the camera it's just data...

After my experiences with DVD-R's, there's no way on god's green earth you'll ever find me backing up anything even remotely important onto optical media though! Is there some reason people think Bluray will be more robust than DVD-R's are/were?
 
Dominic Jones said:
Surely unless you're planning on recording directly to the Bluray disc it's bandwidth is irrelevant? It just means that the transfer won't be realtime, that's all - once it's off the camera it's just data...

After my experiences with DVD-R's, there's no way on god's green earth you'll ever find me backing up anything even remotely important onto optical media though! Is there some reason people think Bluray will be more robust than DVD-R's are/were?
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I use Nero, and always have data validation turned on. Pretty much insures the disc is good. For DVD I prefer DVD+R, they've always been considered more reliable than -R.
 
Dominic Jones said:
Is there some reason people think Bluray will be more robust than DVD-R's are/were?
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i assume it's more about the cost per gb and the fact that people seem spooked by hard drives in general. i don't see a big long term reliability issue with optical media once it has burned and verified. the only problem i've found is a lot of bad blank media to sort through until you hit reliability.
 
wigby said:
i assume it's more about the cost per gb and the fact that people seem spooked by hard drives in general. i don't see a big long term reliability issue with optical media once it has burned and verified. the only problem i've found is a lot of bad blank media to sort through until you hit reliability.
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On a large set, I'd be more worried about someone walking by a powerful ElectroMagnetic field than anything else. HDs are more reliable than tape.
 
zeke said:
On a large set, I'd be more worried about someone walking by a powerful ElectroMagnetic field than anything else. HDs are more reliable than tape.
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What kind of set are you working on? I think tape and a combination of raid are the safest ways to leave the shoot. With a tape backup and a fail safe raid, you're not meant to have the data if they both get erased :) Optical could be for those sets where there are large magnets all over (since Burning discs doesn't take long or require anything special).
 
kinobairn said:
What kind of set are you working on? I think tape and a combination of raid are the safest ways to leave the shoot. With a tape backup and a fail safe raid, you're not meant to have the data if they both get erased :) Optical could be for those sets where there are large magnets all over (since Burning discs doesn't take long or require anything special).
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Just a wild ass thought, a SWAG if you will. Nothing serious.
hehehe.
 
Darwin said:
It would be cool to have write-once cards that are dirt cheap! Just buy a card like a tape. Here is a link http://www.dpreview.com/news/0702/07022601sandiskwriteonceflash.asp Well if you could make them fast enough to work on Red. sounds like cool technology.
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Love this idea!!!

RED ROM! RED ROM! RED ROM!!!(said in a demonic children's voice)


http://www.sandisk.com/OEM/ProductCatalog(1325)-SanDisk_3DOTP_SD_ROM_Cards.aspx
Cheap, write once, read many, last for 100 years. This technology sounds like the future to me.

If you want to re-use, use CF cards. If you want to shoot it like a negative, shoot to a Red-ROM and store it away.

This would be great!!! Please let it be fast enough!!!
 
It wasn't so much the data getting on there in the first place (I do the exact same thing as you, at least with data I need to know is good - not so much for little odds'n'sods), but the ridiculous fragility of DVD-R (not too familiar with +R's - over here they're less universally compatible, not sure if that's true everywhere - but they'd have to be a hell of a lot better for me to trust them as camera masters, dupes or no)..

Whatever works for each person, of course, but I use the best quality media I can find and I still have constant problems with DVD-Rs giving up the ghost after a while in storage and a few plays - on one section or another if not the whole disc. I'll go with dual RAID-1 dupes on HDD for the time being, but solid state will definitely be the way of the future in my world...

Just my 0.02!
 
Dominic I'll take your 0.02 and raise you another 0.02!

Blue-ray is an extremely sensitive medium, as far as the most recent reports go.
Far more sensitive to scratches and other damage even than DVD-R's (which are bad enough) not to mention that burnable disks are extremely error prone due to manufacturing defects/cost cutting.

Until we know that solid-state is a good long term storage medium I'll be sticking to HDD's and LTO/AIT type magnetic tapes. Optical medium is below all of those in my book unless it is properly glass mastered disks (far more costly).

As mentioned though write-once cards would be brilliant solution, SanDisk is suggesting a 100+ year lifetime, very interesting indeed...

JohnF
 
Shoot, I know that flash-based storage would be the next logical step after discs. I'm already preparing a bunch of my student shorts to be transferred to my Sony PSP on a 4gb memory stick. How great would that be to just bring that out and say "Here, which one would you like to see first?".:w00t:
 
Antoine Fabi said:
Rob,

let me insist again, is it possible ?

That would be awesome.
...in a lot of situations where we "wait" for "the" good take.
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Anythings possible.... :turned:
 
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