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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

The Best Wireless HD Transmitter for under $500

Not sure you correct here Dan, looks like h264 on the screen to me... I'm sure this is comprssing it.


Dan Kanes said:
The best way that I can describe this device is as follows:

In its current form it is very simply an HDMI wireless Bridge.

The signal is not affected or recompressed via wifi or h.264 - the philosophy is not to interfere with the signal chain.

This is a good thing.

It means that if you can convert a signal to hdmi you can send it through this, and on the receiving side you can take that hdmi signal and do whatever you want with it - put it on a tv, convert it to HD-SDI, whatever.

Less than 1ms of latency is measured between the transmitter and receiver so if you need a non-lag feed, this is great.

It's quite an open philosophy and that is what I think is the strong suit
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Dan Kanes said:
The best way that I can describe this device is as follows:

In its current form it is very simply an HDMI wireless Bridge.

The signal is not affected or recompressed via wifi or h.264 - the philosophy is not to interfere with the signal chain.

This is a good thing.

It means that if you can convert a signal to hdmi you can send it through this, and on the receiving side you can take that hdmi signal and do whatever you want with it - put it on a tv, convert it to HD-SDI, whatever.

Less than 1ms of latency is measured between the transmitter and receiver so if you need a non-lag feed, this is great.

It's quite an open philosophy and that is what I think is the strong suit
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Well, that’s Subjective :-) It just depends on what you want to do. H.264 allows you a multitude of PC/Mac workflow applications, like proxy recording, live streaming, etc., and WiFi allows you great interoperability and scalability. It has infinite range using internet, or even miles of wireless range using of the shelf directional antennas and boosters. None of which is possible using WHDI. But it does come at the cost of latency.

WHDI (the core technology used inside the Brite-View) does have merits, which is why we will have our own WHDI solution in addition to the H.264 products soon. But never instead of it, alongside it. Our (Teradek's) solution will be something designed from the ground up for professional production, not a consumer home appliance. Even with that goal mind, it will be limited in some aspects, as the core WHDI technology was all designed for home use, as is evident in it’s name "Wireless Home Digital Interface".

For the record WHDI does compress, but not inter-frame like H.264, more like a video equivalent of Huffman encoding. This is clear once you start exceeding the range, or saturating the spectrum (or if you research it). So it is actually not open at all - nothing except WHDI boxes support it, in fact I don’t think it’s interoperable across different vendors. H.264 over WiFi, using standards based IP encapsulation, is supported by anything with an OS these days... THAT is open.

Having said that, Brite-View is available now, and so cheap, if it will work for your application, I think you should go for it.
 
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Dan Kanes said:
Wireless: Check
HD, Multi-Resolution Capable: Check
No immediately apparent recompression: Check
Low Latency (less than 1ms, good enough for focus pulling, or its original intended purpose:gaming): Check
Over 100' transmission capability: check, may vary
Available Today: Check
Less than $1500 all in: Check
Less than $600 all in: Check
Cheap enough be considered part of the expendables budget on a large scale production, but good enough to charge producers a rental for if you own one:check
Professional looking packaging originally designed for motion picture use: Fail
does not require additional software: check
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Dan this is a really interesting thread. Thank you for your contribution. I definitely think Brite-view has its place as it is and I certainly look forward to more exciting developments.
I for one am now torn... the Brite-View is very attractively priced, v good latency, v good quality.... so great for wireless monitoring.
 
Dan Kanes said:
The signal is not affected or recompressed via wifi or h.264 - the philosophy is not to interfere with the signal chain.

This is a good thing.

It means that if you can convert a signal to hdmi you can send it through this, and on the receiving side you can take that hdmi signal and do whatever you want with it - put it on a tv, convert it to HD-SDI, whatever.
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Can you confirm if the RP188 Metadata is retained if going through HDMI or HDSDI to HDMI converter into the Brite-view box?
 
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Dan Kanes said:
Rod, I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to introduce yourself and the company and product you represent
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I edited my post to clarify...I have previously introduced myself but the mods must have nuked my post. I forgot sigs don't show company name on this forum.
Dan Kanes said:
Cheers, and keep up the good work Rod - I see your product as a useful tool that fills a different niche, not a competitor.
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Ditto :-)

To answer Jody, RP188 is HD-SDI only.
 
Rod Clark said:
I edited my post to clarify...I have previously introduced myself but the mods must have nuked my post. I forgot sigs don't show company name on this forum.

Ditto :-)

To answer Jody, RP188 is HD-SDI only.
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Just to clarify.. the RP188 data is lost once converted to HDMI from an HDSDI source?
 
Factual comparison between Teradek and Brite-View systems

Factual comparison between Teradek and Brite-View systems

I'll give my checklist to summarize the advantages of Teradek's Cube over WHDI systems in the format that Dan has been using on this thread. I'm slightly biased as I'm consulting for Teradek, but then Dan is consulting for Brite-view. Besides the below is factual, not subjective :-)

More than 200ft range : Check
Extendable range : Check (a function of how much effort you do w/ antennas)
Wired option if you need it (10/100 Eth):Check
Scalability (i.e. multiple simultaneous viewers, on multiple clients) : Check
Multiple features (e.g. proxy record, streaming over LAN/WAN/internet) : Check
Compatibility(e.g. Final cut, Quicktime, Outpost, Qtake in process, Mac/Win/Linux/iOS/Android) : Check
Very Configurable to find the best possible setup for your application, even in a challenging situation: Check
Open architecture (widely supported standards based technology): Check
HD-SDI support : Check
RP188 support : Check
Robust (bullet proof) packaging : Check
Small (tiny even) : Check
Flexible camera centric mounting hardware included : Check
7-30V DC input (compatible with any pro batteries or cameras): Check
Low power (3W): Check
Red accessory cable available: Check
Made in the USA : Check
Focus on Pro Market : Check
Excellent local support : Check
Zero latency: Fail (less than 3 frame (90ms) Cube-Cube, 5 frame (200ms) w/ sw decoder)
Under $1000 : Fail (designed, produced and priced like a pro product)

It's a little like the 5DMkII vs the Red. If you spend 30secs comparing them, the 5D look like an awfully attractive, well priced alternative, the Red looks like an overpriced beast. If you spend a month with them, you'll know they are very, very different. That doesn't mean the 5D does not have it's place, it just different in so many ways it's not apples to oranges.

So, IMHO, Cube is no good for focus pullers that want to focus from a remote monitor, or severely budgetary challenged shooters. But if you are a pro that want gear that lasts, cables that stay put, and something to rely on, the Cube is the choice between those two. In fact, many people already think Cube is the budget conscious choice (as opposed to Boxx / Camwave).

my 0.02c
Nicol (w/ Teradek)
 
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