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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

TERADEK Cube/Bundle - Group Buy!

Steffen Vala said:
In simple terms, UDP Multi. is the software used to multiply or strengthen the signal sent from the encoder in order to allow for multiple machines to receive the video on-the-fly as opposed to multiple machines seeing the proxy file on the shared network folder, the moment the clip is finished recording on camera. As I understand it, this "multicasting" is possible after adding an additional wifi access point(of which you can find workable solutions for $100US or something) as well as the software, and becomes a bit more complicated with configuration. From what I was told, the majority of users in the film industry are going to be good with only proxy recording, and usually the multicast dealio are for tv broadcasts and live event streaming type productions.
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Thanks for asking, Steffen. I'm still confused though... Isn't this software needed to have more than one person seeing the live stream? And why would film people not want this? Or can more than one computer be connected to the live stream at the same time without the software? Then what is the software for?
 
sander kamp said:
Thanks for asking, Steffen. I'm still confused though... Isn't this software needed to have more than one person seeing the live stream? And why would film people not want this? Or can more than one computer be connected to the live stream at the same time without the software? Then what is the software for?
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I hope I understood this correctly from the phone call and I haven't tried it myself...so just a disclaimer there :blink: Anyone with more knowledge than me please feel free to contribute here... :)

My take away is that for live viewing on multiple devices/people you need the UDP license to make the right configurations on the Cube encoder. Out of the box, only one, MAYBE two machines can be configured to the encoder, before the strength or speed of the encoder's signal becomes an issue. Maybe its a processing power thing in the encoder. I'm not sure.
In my limited experience, I'm still sure there will be film productions that can and want to use this feature, but it was just expressed to me that it is more likely tv productions that will use it when broadcasting or webcasting Live events.

I could imagine if you had the multicast configuration then you could set up a wireless video assist kit that included as many "decoders" or decoding capable computers you can add to the network...but it sounds like an IT exercise that I'm going to avoid to start with, in favor of decoding once and then running the HDSDI BNC chain of monitors we normally use for live video assist. Then playback will be covered with the h.264 proxy creation by the cube. I haven't yet thought out the best solution to playback the h.264 proxies on the HD monitors from the network folder. There's probably an obvious answer I can't think of right now. The rest of the crew on set that have their iPads and whatever will watch playback as they wish and make notes in the metadata etc etc.

Just to reiterate, with the Proxy recording software, you'll have what sounds like an amazing playback system in place that can reach as far as the internet can. That's pretty rad for our directors who are shooting in various locations around the world.
 
Thanks for pulling off this great deal. I'm very glad that I didn't buy it before Dec 1st for the free software deal.

I'm most definitely in. Just not sure what items I want, yet. I will spend some time tomorrow to think over the config, but I will most likely end up ordering two sets for two of my cameras. So count me in :smiley:
 
So, what's everyone getting? :-)

I'm thinking to get the 120/320 (HD-SDI/WiFi) bundle + 18" Red Auxilury Power (Lemo) to Cube (Lemo) Cable = $3902 minus whatever discount we might end up getting. But I was wondering about the combination of 120/420 (HD-SDI to HDMI) so that I could use a simple HDMI to DVI adapter and use a computer monitor. Would that even be possible? (there are no such bundles though, perhaps those are not compatible) otherwise I would have to use something like AJA HDP2 to convert, but that's another $600 or so...

also, could someone explain to me the difference in application of WiFi and PoE versions please? Is PoE using ethernet cable?
 
Still looking to get info on the actual cost of the bundle.
 
Hey Guys,

I have been using the HD-SDI cube for about a month now and I can tell you its well worth it. Teradek has excellent support and has been sending updates out almost weekly they keep making the proxy recording more robust. Having playback available instantly on an iPad is incredible. Off Hollywood has a video of how easy it is to setup. Just need an NFS share server, air video server, and air video on a iPad to make it work.

Also the HD-SDI decoder is very reliable and extremely easy to setup. Has about a 4 to 8 frame delay, I still need to test to get the real number.

They have also made the setup easy for both the encoder and decoder. A simple slider for longer range or better quality automatically sets the it up so you don't have to mess with adjusting individual settings. Once the decoder is paired to a encoder it always automatically finds it on the network.

I have been using the system in infrastructure mode with an airport extreme and have had multiple computers and the decoder viewing the feed with no problems. I have not been using the multicase software.

Curtis
 
I'm quite likely getting one. Trying to get some clarification as well.

My impression has been that the the 120 encoder alone will be adequate for my needs. This can wirelessly send the signal to a computer where I can record the proxies using Teradek's included software ($900 off normal price--a big reason to buy now). Should I desire to share this signal with more wifi enabled viewers I can plug an airport into my computer and feed the signal to other computers, ipads and iphones on my network.

I do not intend to get a decoder because, if I understand correctly, that would be for the purpose of wireless connecting another hdsdi device (like a panasonic monitor for example) and I currently do not need that functionality. In other words, that's for connecting monitors without a computer intermediary.

For you guys that have used these--have you used one computer to receive signals from more than one camera? I'm frequently involved with projects using more than one camera and so I'm considering buying a couple encoders--but assuming on MacTower would be able to receive/process the signal from 2 Teradeks (cameras A and B).

Paul
 
Comparing Brite-View to Teradek

Comparing Brite-View to Teradek

Dennis Guskov said:
what do you guys think of this: http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=52638
pros and cons for each, maybe?
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I'll give my checklist to summarize the advantages of Teradek's Cube over WHDI systems in the format that Dan has been using on that thread. I'm slightly biased as I'm consulting for Teradek, but then Dan is consulting for Brite-view. Besides the below is factual, not subjective :-)

More than 200ft range : Check
Extendable range : Check (a function of how much effort you do w/ antennas)
Wired option if you need it (10/100 Eth):Check
Scalability (i.e. multiple simultaneous viewers, on multiple clients) : Check
Multiple features (e.g. proxy record, streaming over LAN/WAN/internet) : Check
Very Compatibility (e.g. Final cut, Quicktime, Outpost, Qtake in process, Mac/Win/Linux/iOS/Android) : Check
Configurable to find the best possible setup for your application, even in a challenging situation: Check
Open architecture (widely supported standards based technology): Check
HD-SDI support : Check
RP188 support : Check
Robust (bullet proof) packaging : Check
Small (tiny even) : Check
Flexible camera centric mounting hardware included : Check
7-30V DC input (compatible with any pro batteries or cameras): Check
Low power (3W): Check
Red accessory cable available: Check
Made in the USA : Check
Focus on Pro Market : Check
Excellent local support : Check
Zero latency: Fail (less than 3 frame (90ms) Cube-Cube, 5 frame (200ms) w/ sw decoder)
Under $1000 : Fail (designed, produced and priced like a pro product)

It's a little like the 5DMkII vs the Red. If you spend 30secs comparing them, the 5D look like an awfully attractive, well priced alternative, the Red looks like an overpriced beast. If you spend a month with them, you'll know they are very, very different. That doesn't mean the 5D does not have it's place, it just different in so many ways it's not apples to oranges.

So, IMHO, Cube is no good for focus pullers that want to focus from a remote monitor, or severely budgetary challenged shooters. But if you are a pro that want gear that lasts, cables that stay put, and something to rely on, the Cube is the choice between those two. In fact, many people already think Cube is the budget conscious choice (as opposed to Boxx / Camwave).

my 0.02c
Nicol (w/ Teradek)
 
paul engstrom said:
I'm quite likely getting one. Trying to get some clarification as well.

I do not intend to get a decoder because, if I understand correctly, that would be for the purpose of wireless connecting another hdsdi device (like a panasonic monitor for example) and I currently do not need that functionality. In other words, that's for connecting monitors without a computer intermediary.
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Correct, but there are a few other benefits:
-It's plug and play, no dealing with computers and web browsers and switching from one WiFi network to another.
-It has better latency than the sw decoders (90 vs 200ms), because it supports inter-refresh H.264
-It is tiny, so you can strap it onto a Marshall7" for a portable monitor

paul engstrom said:
For you guys that have used these--have you used one computer to receive signals from more than one camera? I'm frequently involved with projects using more than one camera and so I'm considering buying a couple encoders--but assuming on MacTower would be able to receive/process the signal from 2 Teradeks (cameras A and B).
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Even my new 13" Mac Air can do that, the MacTower will probably handle 4+ Cubes (although I haven't tested). The biggest limit is going to be screen real estate, but luckily you can have Cube scale down to 720 or even 480 before streaming, to allow you to fit 4 or more on 24".

Hope this helps
Nicol (w/ Teradek)
 
Thanks Nicol, very helpful.

P
 
So here are my questions.

Does it make more sense to spend the $4K on an Enc/Dec bundle or an encoder and 3 or 4 Ipads? From the people who use these little beauties already, in your experience(s) do clients view on their own Ipads, or do you supply them? If it is the former, is it more sensible to buy 2 encoders and forgo the decoder?

Roughly how big is the filesize of each .H264 the Cube creates per second?

Can 1 laptop handle sharing separate folders for the proxy recordings from 2 transmitters? Ie; can the 2 transmitters store their proxies in separate folders on one laptop and have these both be shared in one master folder? I assume this to be the case, as the configuration of the proxy recording is done by "logging in" to each transmitter independently, no?
 
Hi Andrew,

my impression is that you'd want 2 encoders (model 120) so that you can send the signal from both of your cameras and that you can forego the decoders. I'm pretty sure that you can feed everything from one computer. If you haven't done so yet, look up Mark Pederson/OffHollywood's posts on these.

Regards,
P
 
Hi Nicole that's a useful list. It would great to a similar list for the decoder. Some off us are hoping the to get similar functionality as Boxx/Camwave transmitter receiver bundle even if the latency is not quite 0 frames.

Please comment specifically on the capabilities of the Cube encoder/decoder in terms of supporting accurate RP188 Timecode and Filename support and syncability with other cubes etc...
 
Andrew clemson said:
Jens Jakob Thorsen said:
Im pretty sure that is a Plus to americans. To the rest of us its just fluff.
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Not meant political, and not fluff either.

It means that if Jarred / Deanan / Michael / etc tells us to add X, we can drive back to our office and do it. Then test it in their studios with their customers within days. If things don't work for our customers, we drive over to their studious to troubleshoot. The very engineers that did the design has been to sets every week since this project started.

This reflects more on the responsiveness of our R&D and support to the community than on quality of manufacturing, although I can assure you that too is excellent.
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Nicol Verheem said:
Andrew clemson said:
Not meant political, and not fluff either.

It means that if Jarred / Deanan / Michael / etc tells us to add X, we can drive back to our office and do it. Then test it in their studios with their customers within days. If things don't work for our customers, we drive over to their studious to troubleshoot. The very engineers that did the design has been to sets every week since this project started.

This reflects more on the responsiveness of our R&D and support to the community than on quality of manufacturing, although I can assure you that too is excellent.
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Ok, I getcha. Jealous.....anything goes wrong with kit over here weve got to wait anything froma week (RED) to 3 months (panny) to get the kit back. "made in Dubai" just doesnt have the same ring to it, and if building construction is anything to go by, it would mean the opposite anyway!
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