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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Sweet...

2K HMI directly into his face through a dooropening, white wall and a deep shadow to his right.

Turned off the fluorescent lights in the roof.

Same drill;

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Sweet is (in my opinion and intent) a short-film ;)

But most/many of the setups are in different ways challenging for most cameras I have used, in one way or another.

And from what I have seen.

Well...

I just need to start saving...


hahahaha
 
very impressive shot with the flowers, downloaded the orignal mov file, thank you.

About noise, is there a correlation between the size of the grain/noise and the recorded resolution or will noise be the same size regardless of the recorded resolution?
Arbitrary example: grain is 1px in diameter regardless if shot at 2k or 6k? Or does uhd resolution affect the size of the grain itself as well?
 
Well, noise will be relatively less when you downsample, the more the merrier.

As to the H264 stuff, there is a lot of crap happening in the various compressions, lower bandwith formats...
 
Gunleik Groven said:
Well, noise will be relatively less when you downsample, the more the merrier.

As to the H264 stuff, there is a lot of crap happening in the various compressions, lower bandwith formats...
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Absolutely, the mov file you provided is not a fair representation of the noise, even more so when watching the clip directly on vimeo.

What I meant was a bit of an off topic question ;-)

I just wonder if the 6k image size of the dragon sensor has any correlation with the size of the grain itself.
I know noise is introduced when boosting an electronic signal, as when cranking iso, but I just wonder if the captured resolution has an impact on it's actual pixel size.
Just curious
 
Not sure I understand...

WHat actual pixel size?

The sensor pixels of course stay the same.

As the sensitivity is good, the noisefloor is low...

Actually so low that it is tempting to play with really smooth gradients and nuances in the blacks. Problem with that in a forum like this, is that neither jpg or h264 is really designed for that...

but the pixels stay the same...

Sorry for being a brickhead here! :)
 
sorry here is a diagram to show you what I am wondering, hope it's not a stupid question, I'm just curious about this.

I know different analog films have different grain sizes, and you have the option to choose the size of the grain in editing softwares when applying it as a post effect.

How does this apply to digital imagery, has the recorded resolution a correlation with the grain size as in diagram B?
Or is the grain only dependent on the sensitivity of the sensor and unrelated to the captured resolution as in diagram A?

thanks! :-)

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Well grain size is in relation to the pixel size itself. That's one big way on how digital is different than film in relation to the format size. On a typical 6K scan of S35 film stock grain is "globular" and is larger than a pixel.

An interesting thing to note here is that by down sampling to say a 4K or UHD 4K finish there are benefits to how that noise will look in the final image. Additionally if you're stretching to the upper tiers of the ISO range and apply noise reduction and down sample to your finish you'll also see noticeable gains.
 
Gunleik, I'm so glad I asked for the histograms. Thank you so much for taking the time to post these!

Dragon is a completely new camera! And to think this is just the beginning of the new color science...

Can't wait for ours!
 
I think there is a big jump in image detail , density & dynamic range from MX to Dragon. Even it could be better than other big cameras around. Afer going through all, its pretty obvious now, that we would be able to pull out lot more detail from Footages in RLF space with new colour science while Grading Native Raw Dragon Footages.

Thumbs up to -

1. Grain Level
2. Colour Detail(specially in distant lights)
3. Texture
4. Less or Gone Magenta(in HL)
5. Softness( Specially in Highs)
6. Much Organic


Sweet really taste sweet, Great Job. :)
 
I think Dragon is indeed a new camera, not just an "update", the only thing like the Epic is the operation an the exterior...

For all practical image-purposes, it is an all-new camera
 
Thanks again for sharing your Dragon pictues Gunleik. Some nice and informative images there.

I liked your short film, but did feel there were too many different things crammed into it. I thought it would have held up better as an overall film if you'd presented the subjects/scenes in more detail, either making the film longer, or cutting some scenes to maintain the same running time. It looked to me like you might have let your desire to cover a lot of ground with the camera influence the way you told the 'story'. That's just my take on it though. I found the scenes would change before I could really get into them, while the connections between the scenes weren't strong enough to keep me engaged with the film on a broader level. Anyway...

While I'm here, can you or Detlev tell me whether the 'ball kicking' scene has been filmed before? It's no big deal, but it's kind of bugging me, because I'm sure I've seen it or something very similar to it somewhere before, but can't quite remember where.
 
Les Hillis said:
Thanks again for sharing your Dragon pictues Gunleik. Some nice and informative images there.

I liked your short film, but did feel there were too many different things crammed into it. I thought it would have held up better as an overall film if you'd presented the subjects/scenes in more detail, either making the film longer, or cutting some scenes to maintain the same running time. It looked to me like you might have let your desire to cover a lot of ground with the camera influence the way you told the 'story'. That's just my take on it though. I found the scenes would change before I could really get into them, while the connections between the scenes weren't strong enough to keep me engaged with the film on a broader level. Anyway...

While I'm here, can you or Detlev tell me whether the 'ball kicking' scene has been filmed before? It's no big deal, but it's kind of bugging me, because I'm sure I've seen it or something very similar to it somewhere before, but can't quite remember where.
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Thanks.
i totally understand what you are saying.
It was a crazy race...

As to the ball kicking...

Dunno.
It is not a concious quote.
then, claiming to be "original" is not my cup of tea.
I conciously play with image cliches and references, just try to connect the dots differently...
 
Okay, could just be my imagination making me think I'd seen it before.

Will be interesting to see the re-graded version of the film.
 
Les Hillis said:
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While I'm here, can you or Detlev tell me whether the 'ball kicking' scene has been filmed before? It's no big deal, but it's kind of bugging me, because I'm sure I've seen it or something very similar to it somewhere before, but can't quite remember where.
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... hehe ... I was just a lucky visitor ... Mr. Groven has called the shots .... and I guess, some ideas are hard to refuse, when life presents them so willingly ... ;-)

I must say, i was very impressed (and still am) ... how Mr. Groven connected the dots ... love it!

:-)
 
something complety different: any observations on dragon fan noise?

best wishes and kind regards,
martin
 
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