Surprise...?

[Ed Blythe]

Peter: You clearly missed the post-NAB excitement. He'll be back. I wouldn't want to spend all my time with us either.

Jeremy: My bad. Couldn't tell ya.

 

[Jeremy Teman]

I don't know why is that (or whether this has happened before), but Jim has taken his first time off and it looks like some are after the RED-TEAM. I have never seen Jarred pissed off. I think we should all step back, take a deep breath, relax and get back to "normal"...

Peace!

His second time off. I think his first was after NAB.

 

[Jarred Land]

Jarred I was ribbing you , maybe that wasn't apparent. maybe I need to add at the end of a sentence

Ribbing would of been one post.. but then you spewed out 2 more backing up your original post..

I am not laughing... we take our brand identity very seriously, and will defend it with everything necessary.

 

[Chris Kenny]

Kinda hard to go after people for using whats quite a common word. I'd rather red spend time making the camera better than suing people for using a common word in their name. if the companies were pretending to be part of RED thats a different story. but just using the word RED. I think there are probably a few companies that could sue RED first

there are lots of companies called apple. apple corps for example. sony and canon word wise are a little more unique given their foreign origins.

Trademarks are domain-specific. If you want to open an Apple Auto Repair, go for it. If you open an "Apple" company that writes software, sells computer hardware, or runs an Internet-based media distribution business though... good luck with that.

Apple Corps Ltd. and Apple, Inc. have, in fact, clashed several times over trademark issues, first when Macs started to gain advanced audio capabilities and were adopted as audio production tools, and more recently over Apple, Inc. getting into the music distribution business.

So, yeah. Red.com, Inc. (which appears to be the legal name of the company) doesn't own the word "red". But any court would almost certainly find they have exclusive rights to use that word as part of a brand name in the relevant industries.

 

[Peter Majtan]

Peter: You clearly missed the post-NAB excitement. He'll be back. I wouldn't want to spend all my time with us either.

I was stuck inside the "Scarlet" thread (which have since evolved to its own forum)... :w00t:

 

[Bing Bailey]

jesus guys , calm down , wasn't this thread about the camera doing 4.5k I'd prefer if it went back to that.

 

[Simon Valderrama]

Speaking of which... We are seeing alot of companies pop up with "RED" in their business name, which isn't good. Just like you wouldn't start a company with " Sony, Apple, Canon " etc. in their name, It's not a good idea (or legal) to use "RED" to promote camera related services.

uh, so are we speaking of company business names or also web domains?
i've found in this forum many people having "red-containing" domain names redirecting to rental facilities with a different company name (if i do not remember wrong) offering red camera rentals.
Always thought that was fair, also because never had the idea RED inc. could see nothing wrong about people renting their wondermachine.
Never imagined that could be a problem.
As "Authorized Apple Resellers" exist, could people have a sort of "Authorized Red Renter" agreement with Red?

Appleinsider and Ipodobserver are news sites that report on Apple products... they do not offer services or product, or Apple would shut them down in a heartbeat.

Uh, well, in fact Apple is known for being quite strict about webdomains, blogs etc ... also been criticized a lot about that.
Apple is quite dispotic, guess they could propose death sentence for bloggers revealing the "next thing" ...

 

[Martin Weiss]

It is only fair of Jarred to point out that anyone considering having "Red" in their company name might run into trouble later on.

Remember, Red are the good guys. And of course they want to protect their brand.

Imagine if you set up a production company called "Amber Films". After years of hard work you land a success. Same day someone registers betteramberfilms.com, surely you would go after them...

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Maybe we all should take a reduser break. Those with a Red go out and shoot some great footage - the best way to thank The Team. Those waiting for their Red, go out and enjoy the summer, maybe shoot some stills in Raw. And those who just come here to b*tch, well, ...

Deep breath, everyone

 

[Jarred Land]

Uh, well, in fact Apple is known for being quite strict about webdomains, blogs etc ... also been criticized a lot about that.
Apple is quite dispotic, guess they could propose death sentence for bloggers revealing the "next thing" ...

We are strict... we need to be. If a customer gets confused that they are dealing officially with RED, but they arn't and something goes wrong, then its a problem. It happened a couple times in the past already, and we have had to deal with it. Its a Trademark, and its the law. We just dont make this stuff up.

I am amazed how much resistance and backlash there always seem to be when we post news of anysort.. Jim announces a great new feature (4.5k) and we get slammed. I give a heads up to guys out there that may choose a company name to protect them from a mountain of legal fees, and we get slammed...

If you guys just realize we are trying to help you, things would go alot better.

 

[Mark L. Pederson]

I am amazed how much resistance and backlash there always seem to be when we post news of anysort.. Jim announces a great new feature (4.5k) and we get slammed. I give a heads up to guys out there that may choose a company name to protect them from a mountain of legal fees, and we get slammed...

If you guys just realize we are trying to help you, things would go alot better.

Jarred -

You could always pull down the site for one week - throw up a banner - "absence makes the heart grow fonder" -

or better yet ... "back when you all can behave respectfully"

what am I talking about - you'd get slammed anyway ...

 

[Tico Llaurador]

I agree with Mark. All the slamming has been totally uncalled for. This is the kind of stuff that happens when people start taking RED's unique approach to doing business for granted.

When, in fact, we should all be counting our blessings.

 

[Paul Hazlett]

This is a classic case of squeaky wheel derailing the train. If you said the camera
was going to fly and spit nickels, SOME would complain that it wasn't quarters.

In such an open environment with a possibility of anonymity you are always going to have your squeaky wheels. for better or worse.

 

[Antoine Fabi]

Give us a break !!!!!

...JUST TRYING TO CATH UP LEARNING B16 NEW FEATURES!!!!!

how can we say thanks enough...Sincerely...

I'm so gratefull to you.

 

[Simon Valderrama]

We are strict... we need to be. If a customer gets confused that they are dealing officially with RED, but they arn't and something goes wrong, then its a problem. It happened a couple times in the past already, and we have had to deal with it. Its a Trademark, and its the law. We just dont make this stuff up.

Obviously this is fair. I think it's common sense (and basic law) not choosing a company name that can lead to confusion.
Things get more difficult when speaking of web domains for sites offering services, what i am suggesting is, what about having some official guidelines from you about this, maybe after a brief discussion in this forum?
I'm telling this in a positive way, just to avoid problems between red-customers and red itself.
Obviously this would make another thread.
As an example, actually my idea about a bad webdomain is still vague (apart from obvious examples).
I'm no expert.

I am amazed how much resistance and backlash there always seem to be when we post news of anysort.. Jim announces a great new feature (4.5k) and we get slammed. I give a heads up to guys out there that may choose a company name to protect them from a mountain of legal fees, and we get slammed...

Please do not relate my questions about name policies and post-great announcement slamming, always loved and praised all red announcements and innovations .... :sad:
Besides, i wasn't comparing Red to Apple (Red Apple?), just pointing Apple as an example of dispotic corporation (not really evil as microsoft, but sure not democratic), really
Im a kind of anti-badcorporations guy, that's why i love Red

 

[Ruairi Robinson]

We are strict... we need to be. If a customer gets confused that they are dealing officially with RED, but they arn't and something goes wrong, then its a problem. It happened a couple times in the past already, and we have had to deal with it. Its a Trademark, and its the law. We just dont make this stuff up.

I am amazed how much resistance and backlash there always seem to be when we post news of anysort.. Jim announces a great new feature (4.5k) and we get slammed. I give a heads up to guys out there that may choose a company name to protect them from a mountain of legal fees, and we get slammed...

If you guys just realize we are trying to help you, things would go alot better.

Oh yeah, I kinda forgot to say... the 4.5k thing... awesome. Thanks

Best,
R.

 

[Jarred Land]

Jarred -

You could always pull down the site for one week - throw up a banner - "absence makes the heart grow fonder" -

or better yet ... "back when you all can behave respectfully"

what am I talking about - you'd get slammed anyway ...

Thats not a bad idea.....

 

[Mark L. Pederson]

Thats not a bad idea.....

They are all going to blame me now ....

 

[Michael Hastings]

We were trying to hold off talking about this until the codec errors were completely killed (we think they are with the build coming in a day or two), but there has already been some discussion about this so here you go:

The RED ONE will soon be able to shoot 4.5K, 2.40:1 at 30fps. Expect to see this very soon.

Jim

This is great news! This would have been nice yesterday.

By the way, we had a few codec errors on Monday (16 3.1.5) shooting swimmers near the surface (3 or 4 in two hours of footage). But then shot over an hour of very fast moving sharks (between 35 to 40 sharks within a 30 foot area with no codec errors. The housing was constantly banged by the sharks, got one quick record fault when one of the sharks bumped it VERY FAST and Very hard twice in quick succession - pretty robust I would say.

 

[Pietro Impagliazzo]

Were you guys recording to CF or Drive?

 

[Zach Hilton]

I don't know why is that (or whether this has happened before), but Jim has taken his first time off and it looks like some are after the RED-TEAM. I have never seen Jarred pissed off. I think we should all step back, take a deep breath, relax and get back to "normal"...

Peace!

His second time off. When the natives get restless, the chief takes a break. And I don't blame him.