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http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf...t-treaty-reveals-plans-for-internet-clampdown

http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/21/acta-internet-enforc.html


New measures are being taken by governments to protect the value of ideas and our very, very hard work. Be sure to post on comments pages, as we need to let officials know that just because consumers/voters say they want to be able to steal beer of supermarket shelves and drink for free, doesn't mean that grocers should be stripped of their right to stop them.

If nothing is done to crack down on piracy, the film industry will consist only of cats hitting screen doors on Youtube, and the software industry will cease to exist.

The MPAA is a terrible communicator, but we are pros at this. Let's join together and help create a bright future for what we love to do.

Comments on these articles are always extremely one-sided and completely lacking in any insight into the big picture (like what happens to an information economy when "information is free" and thus deemed worthless.?) I know for fact politicians read these comments. There is more than one side to the story, and they need to hear our voices.
 
ACTA is a vile, vile, concept; a law that one could be in breach of, but without knowing it. A fundamental tenant of law is that they must be reasonably available to the public.

Piracy and copyright reform is needed across the board; ACTA is not the vehicle for this - if anything it is exactly what is not needed.
 
I also disagree completely with acta... sorry. its just not the right way.

acta is simply the vehicle in which governments will use to halt the internet so to speak..

making ISP's ban users who may have copywrite material on their private computer.

acta is a bad bad thing
 
Can + Worms + Opener... and here we go!
 
also.. its not like artist would lose out big time from things being put on the internet for free..

we have hit that pinnacle.. and artists are still making money, new artists are being discovered. there is nothing wrong with it.

Its time to start thinking of new innovative ways to be paid for your work.. advertising is one good way that has started showing up on sites like youtube and hulu..
 
Yeah, but even if you distribute your film online for just $5 one-time purchase, it takes one thief to post it on Youtube or Youtube-like website to kill sales.

If pirates are going to be stopped then there has to be some kind of barrier to prevent it. I don't agree with anything I've seen thus far, especially DRM on software/music/etc., but the truth is that everything can't be free when it comes to the internet. There has to be some limits put in to protect copyrighted material, especially when entertainment media goes on the internet completely in the years to come. If that means Youtube and other file sharing websites have to go down then so be it because, again, it takes only one person to ruin it for everyone else.
 
content has been stolen since the middle ages.. paintings have been counterfeit, vhs tapes have been copied, cd's duplicated, mp3's shared, movies filmed and released either on dvd or internet.. its going to happen no matter what, yet we still seem to be doing quite alright in the biz...

I dont know.. can of worms.. bottom line.. FINE if they want to try and figure something out.. then ok.. but not this law.. this law gets too deep.
plus.. whatever, ends up happening is just a barrier that most people will get over anyways.. there is NO stopping counterfeiting. it will never die. just slow down for a lil bit till they figure something else out.
 
I'm against Piracy as much as the next guy but the current approach isn't moral or working.

You want to teach someone a lesson, send them a $50 ticket. Send them one every month.

You don't fight invasive piracy at the user level with $100k fines. You fight it by hitting everyone who breaks the law with a small fine.

Think about it. Would you risk parking on the street without putting money in the meter? I've been hit twice this month. (Only once my fault though). I'm going to be EXTRA careful going forward. My fear of piracy enforcement? Somewhere around 0.
 
Zakaree Sandberg said:
content has been stolen since the middle ages.. paintings have been counterfeit, vhs tapes have been copied, cd's duplicated, mp3's shared, movies filmed and released either on dvd or internet.. its going to happen no matter what, yet we still seem to be doing quite alright in the biz...
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Zakaree, you are absolutely correct to say that content theft is not a new thing. However, centuries ago to counterfeit a painting or sculpture still took materials, time, and a (relatively) skilled hand. Pre- internet when movies were recorded off of cable on to vhs or simply duplicated they were mostly one-off circumstances, in ones home, and there was almost always loss of quality. To do a mass job, it once again required time and materials… a lot of time and materials, including a distribution network to get them in the hands of “consumers”. Not a small investment.
This, I would humbly suggest is altogether a different beast. The ability to push a few buttons and instantly make someone’s hard work available (with little to no quality loss) to a huge chunk of the world’s population for free is very worrisome.
I agree with you, from what I know, acta does not seem to be the right answer. And I am very much against governments locking down access to areas of the internet as happens routinely in China, but we need to find a way to protect peoples hard work as well a create new ways for them to earn money from their efforts.
Just my two cents.

Omar
 
I see privacy as a major problem for content creators, but this is not right. It would esentially shift the burden of proof to the consumers, and by making IPSs responsible for the actions of their custumors there are forced to censor - do we REALLY want that?

Just my 2c,
Matthias Hutter
 
I don't want to see anymore limits being put on the internet. I believe studios/content creators just need to find a way to make money and make it really painless for people to look at or download content. Advertising has worked in the past and it works now.

But for shows on HBO, Showtime and the others they need to rethink things. I wouldn't mind buying a seasons pass for a couple shows that they have on their channel but what would really sell me on it is if I decided to buy the blu-ray of that show they would discount the money I have already spent to watch that show. Or like a 50% off type of thing. No matter what is done piracy will always be out there. The idea is to make it so that the majority of people what to support the shows they watch and the only way I see that happening is if the studios or record companies bring the prices down. There will always be people that will want it for free but most people seem to like a deal.
 
Andrew Walker said:
I don't want to see anymore limits being put on the internet. I believe studios/content creators just need to find a way to make money and make it really painless for people to look at or download content. Advertising has worked in the past and it works now.

But for shows on HBO, Showtime and the others they need to rethink things. I wouldn't mind buying a seasons pass for a couple shows that they have on their channel but what would really sell me on it is if I decided to buy the blu-ray of that show they would discount the money I have already spent to watch that show. Or like a 50% off type of thing. No matter what is done piracy will always be out there. The idea is to make it so that the majority of people what to support the shows they watch and the only way I see that happening is if the studios or record companies bring the prices down. There will always be people that will want it for free but most people seem to like a deal.
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agreed. Itunes made it happen for music...
 
Zakaree Sandberg said:
I also disagree completely with acta... sorry. its just not the right way.

acta is simply the vehicle in which governments will use to halt the internet so to speak..

making ISP's ban users who may have copywrite material on their private computer.

acta is a bad bad thing
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If they have illegal material on their computer they stole it. If someone came in here and found stolen TVs I think much worse coudl happen to me than getting my ISP blocked.
 
Andrew Walker said:
I don't want to see anymore limits being put on the internet. I believe studios/content creators just need to find a way to make money and make it really painless for people to look at or download content. Advertising has worked in the past and it works now.

But for shows on HBO, Showtime and the others they need to rethink things. I wouldn't mind buying a seasons pass for a couple shows that they have on their channel but what would really sell me on it is if I decided to buy the blu-ray of that show they would discount the money I have already spent to watch that show. Or like a 50% off type of thing. No matter what is done piracy will always be out there. The idea is to make it so that the majority of people what to support the shows they watch and the only way I see that happening is if the studios or record companies bring the prices down. There will always be people that will want it for free but most people seem to like a deal.
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Advertising means a sponsor, with a say in content. This means no bad words for cars, sprawl and any other direct or indirect sponsors. No offending anyone.

Besides, peopel steal TV content that is stripped of its ads.
 
Zakaree Sandberg said:
trust me... im not for piracy.. especially if its MY stuff being stolen.. (unless im getting something out of it)

Im just against this law
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this law coudl work though, other measures have not. This law, if passed, will be a huge boon to our industry. It will mean many more of our friends with jobs.
 
Zakaree Sandberg said:
also.. its not like artist would lose out big time from things being put on the internet for free..

we have hit that pinnacle.. and artists are still making money, new artists are being discovered. there is nothing wrong with it.

Its time to start thinking of new innovative ways to be paid for your work.. advertising is one good way that has started showing up on sites like youtube and hulu..
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This is a HUGE myth. Artistis are not still making money. We have good friends who are top-ten artists, with their own label, and music sales barely pay the rent. They must tour tour tour which means no normal family life, ever. With our film product, there is no live tour. Albums and artists also have way less care put into them by the label - less studio time, cheap music video, etc. No label will fund a funky album because they think you might break, like in the old days. The money is just gone.

Youtube pays maybe a few $K for the very very top videos, if that. If all I could make was MAYBE $2K a month to recoup all my production expenses AND pay myself - and this were the summum of my business - I would quit now.

Hulu too gets almost no $ for it's content producers.

All this aside, how is it cool to steal someone else's work? In my book anyone who steals content deserves a wee taste of a jail cell. Stealing is stealing.
 
Rob Ruffo said:
This is a HUGE myth. Artistis are not still making money. We have good friends who are top-ten artists, with their own label, and music sales barely pay the rent. They must tour tour tour which means no normal family life, ever. With our film product, there is no live tour. Albums and artists also have way less care put into them by the label - less studio time, cheap music video, etc. No label will fund a funky album because they think you might break, like in the old days. The money is just gone.

Youtube pays maybe a few $K for the very very top videos, if that. If all I could make was MAYBE $2K a month to recoup all my production expenses AND pay myself - and this were the summum of my business - I would quit now.

Hulu too gets almost no $ for it's content producers.

All this aside, how is it cool to steal someone else's work? In my book anyone who steals content deserves a wee taste of a jail cell. Stealing is stealing.
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Draconian legislation will not solve a broken business model.
Litigating your customers will not solve a broken business model.
Imposing thousands of dollars of fines and imprisoning your customers will not solve a broken business model.

The idea that current business model, having evolved from the days of limited means of production and distribution, can survive in this modern technologically advance age... IS A MYTH.
 
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